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Italy is a car infested country. I would love to know impressions of fellow users from other countries that visit Italy: do you see this?

We rank in the low part for public transport and rails (except high-speed trains). Which is not surprsing

Moreover, automotive industry is sinking in Italy, so there is not even the justification of helping "economy", for pushing on cars so much.

Finally, there are many more cars than car licenses in Italy. Which, IMHO, is completely absurd

Cross-posted from: https://mastodon.uno/@rivoluzioneurbanamobilita/113632796547131119

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[–] nyras234@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't understand why the unit car/1000 people would be a problem.

How is Finland off here?

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because it's basically a non-standardized percentage.

Something like per-capita would be more accurate, since that factors in each individual there is in the population.

The other issues are: how often the cars are used / are they in use, how much public transportation exists, and percentage of the population using public transportation vs private vehicle. Italy for example was one of the earliest automaker countries, so it's likely a significant amount of people there have legacy vehicles that aren't allowed in public roads - essentially museum pieces. Legacy vehicles can make a country look like it's doing worse in public transportation than it actually is as well.

That's why the best measurement for progress in this would be percentage use of public transportation / non-automobile use, maybe in combination with population living in rural zones as well (so that more rural countries don't look worse than they are).

[–] AngryPancake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

The difference between per capita and / 1000 is a factor of 1000. It has the same result visually. Also you're trying to fit a lot of data into one graph, if you want people to understand it it has to be easy to understand.