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Americans never stop surprising me lol, regards for shooting someone not innocent this time!.
If you keep doing this maybe you guys will be able to violence your way to some good.
I mean, wasn't that the original goal of the second amendment? To allow the population to protect themselves from political regimes that want to exploit them? Makes sense that people use their rights to do something good instead of just building a collection is weapons to show of.
No, it wasn't. That's bullshit the Republicans made up to justify it still applying. It's about defending the nation from attackers. At the time of writing, militias were the common way militaries were formed for most nations. Only the most prosperous had standing professional armies. The brand new US was not expecting this, so militias were seen as the only way to defend itself. This is no longer true, so the second amendment, which bases itself on this premise, is not valid.
I still defend people having the right to own firearms, but I also support restrictions. People should have to be trained in it's safe operation, maintenance, and storage, for example. They should also have to prove they have a safe place to store it. There are a lot of ways we can still protect people and allow for firearm ownership and usage.
I read that to say that the right to bear arms is only so when a well regulated militia is needed to defend a free state. Given that it's no longer the case, the right to bear arms does not exist- according to the 2nd amendment!
It's not void or irrelevant, it has infact predicted and enshrined into law that there is no right to bear arms anymore.
Exactly. That seems to be the only reasonable way to read it to me. I don't know why it's never been contested on this premise in court.
Because historic context is relevant in court cases, really easy to show 200+ years of it not being interpreted that way
Its a very poorly written sentence, likely on purpose to force interpretation by judges
It was not written poorly on purpose. It was just written poorly. I'd argue it's pretty obvious when observing historical context. Militias were how nations defended themselves largely, and it's how the US did. The second amendment was in order to allow for this to be true. If this weren't the case, why would the even include the first half? They would just say "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." At best, the amendment implies gun ownership should be seen as part of being a part of a well regulated militia, not primarily for personal use.
However, historical context of gun ownership is important. That's where the 9th amendment (my favorite and probably the most important, though underused) comes in.
The right of personal gun ownership has been historically held by the people, so there needs to be good arguments to limit it. I think these arguments exist.
I think you're forgetting the fact that the founding fathers were revolutionaries. They very obviously felt the need for the people to have the tools to depose a government if necessary. However, they did not foresee the US becoming a superpower, or the extent to which weapons technology has progressed.
What I am surprised about is, how united the different political views are in that regard (for now).
Let's see how big money carves out some loyalist political pawns from the MAGA crowd by mental gymnastics (something something bootstraps). Listen closely to the Fox-News Spin on this story.
It's crazy how much the parties try to divide us and make it seem like we're so very different using wedge issues like abortion while both parties completely ignore issues we pretty much unanimously agree on (healthcare is broken, housing is unaffordable, wages aren't keeping pace with inflation, police brutality, obvious corruption of our government, the need for term limits and updated voting system (RCV))
It’s the liberals who are getting their panties in a twist over how it’s wrong to murder murderers.
My own fucking liberal MSM obsessed mother is defending this guy despite the fact that they killed my father. It’s complete and total brainwashing at this point.
MSM?
Mainstream media. She’s a boomer who gets all of her news from tv and abhors Fox News and the like.
I abhor both.
True, "pull out by the bootstraps" is liberal anti government propaganda in some ways but also often cited by conservatives... idk...
Bro what?!?
Free Market, Opportunities, Make Your own Way,... (without needing help).. that kind of stuff
Yes, democrats and republicans are on the same side of that coin. I don’t get your point, and honestly, the fact that you don’t understand how liberals are right wing just shows how brainwashed you are and how suppressed leftist politics are in the US.
Am not in the US.
We have "defund everything" liberals as well as "alt right nazis" and the conservative harliners or social Democrats... So all the things..
Read up on the French Revolution. Is widely praised for catapulting liberal ideas and democracy, but it went with class warfare and partisanism leading to the decapitation and murder of many om both sides, military dictatorship et cetera
Yeah, the end result of that was Napoleon. Not great.
Maybe someone finally manages to get Trump
Is the vice president of USA the better one of the two?
No.
That's the bad timeline - T will burn this mother to the ground, a short while o fimmense pain followed by a chance to rebuilt. A smarter fascist replacement will irreversably destroy the foundations of this country and there won't be a rebuilding after that, just a smouldering ruin.