I would like to introduce you lovely OpenSource Lovers to a GIT-Alternative called FOSSIL that I also stumbled upon because of this Blog. It's basically opensource Github-in-a-box which means it's an SCM with:
- Bug-tracker
- Ticketting-system
- Forum
- Wiki-system
- even a Chat-functionality
- Has built-in GUI
- Also has a Web-Server
- Self-Hostable like Gitea/Forgejo
& the best part it's all in ONE STANDALONE FILE!!! which is extremely lightweight which you can copy to your $PATH & works even in crappy internet. how cool is that!!
However this tool supports a completely different style of development in FOSS called the "Cathedral-Style" whereas GIT suports a "Bazaar-Style" The person behind Fossil is the creator of SQLite, Dr.Richard Hipp & they even made other projects to support Fossil like a PIC-Like language called PikChr Well just in case; here's a list of difference between Git vs Fossil & guess what!! they even have a hosting service called CHISEL
Listen; Just check it out & use it for fun in your spare time even with the flaws it has (& Try out Darcs & Pijul as well)
What about git needs replacement?
Something new is new, and apparently that's all tha-- SQUIRREL!
Seems like a historic artefact to me as well. And one of their mentioned points was "no sync via http" which even for 2006 makes me... hesitant.
And their history section ends in 2007, couldn't find a feature comparison in their quick start guide.
Git is far from user friendly but that's a design consideration from a decentralized architecture. Fossil will have the same considerations. People need to learn how to use Git.
The problem is there's only one person who really knows how to use it: Linus.
I'm so fuckin tired of hearing x is user unfriendly, it's not intuitive enough.
Like fuckin yeah. Sometimes you have to actually learn something new to use something new when I first started driving it wasn't user friendly. I had to learn how to do it
git is exactly as unfriendly as a distributed source control system that doesn’t shy away from power user commands needs to be
… sure it’s difficult to comprehend, but yknow what’s worse? getting into a bullshit situation and having broken garbage repos in every other “user friendly” system on the planet
Nah, git has a bad command line UX. Which is why the developers are working to make it better, i.e. moving from checkout to switch.
I remember Linus saying in an interview that he'd only really been involved in git for the first 6 months or so and that the other devs had managed it without him since then. This makes sense - Linus's creations aren't successful because he's the only person who understands them, they're successful because there are so many other collaborators on them.
does he? i was under the impression that linus considers it just as stupid as everybody else and its existence is somewhat unsettlingly like a separate organism that lives in our collective brain activity..
Isn't that by design? I believe the intention was to offload that capability to an existing solution, usually ssh.
Yeah & for that we have to deal withe Dependency hell Look at the size of Fossil & compare
What? Since when has ssh been a negative? Regardless of VC if you work on remote machines you need SSH, fullstop. I won't take you seriously if you think otherwise sorry.
Why do you NEED a new tool like SSH when you can just tinker/upgrade the old & battle-tested one ??
1995 is new to you? SSH is useful for way more thing than version control, you should be using it when interacting with remote servers in one way or another.
You must be trolling. I can't believe you just said that SSH is NOT the battle tested one. I just looked it up, git released in 2005 and fossil in 2006, it's the newer tool! So, to your comment, literally no U.
I was talking about HTTPS & Compared to it SSH is new & I guess calling someone a troll is a knee-jerk reaction these days inorder to avoid scrutiny
HTTPS has way too much bloat for it to be relevant where SSH is used. Its a protocol to send hypertext in a secure way, SSH is a secure shell. Saying that we should use https out of all tools as a SSH replacement is wild.
I call you a troll because is my kindest way to say that these opinions that you have are so out of touch with development since more than 30 years that your opinions are just wrong and you are saying them with such conviction that either you are intentionally misleading others for laughs (a troll) or it's a worse alternative. Yeah I was avoiding having to scrutinize your inability to recognize how the programming world has evolved in the last 30 years. Hell, mobile phones didn't really exist 30 years ago!
Not sure what that means. Never once heard of git being a problem or large in size. Further, it's extremely widely supported.
Do you live in a world where storage is expensive or rare? Because I more or less forgot the meaning of deleting files.
Also git does support the git protocol as a server if you really need it.
The last time I checked Just because storage is cheap (it's not where I live) doesn't give you the excuse to create/use unomptimized garbage All GIT does is versioning (which is Fine), Fossil comparitively has more features that GIT should have but doesn't (like a "Sync all" repos)
Are you sure you're not getting butt hurt by valid critiques?
What are these "Valid Critiques" ? You don't mean "Why should I try out Fossil when I'm used to Git"
I use plane for my personal project ticketing and git is built into all my IDE. Why make it harder because of a random Foss project with opinions.
I must be missing whan you mean by remote/server since pull, fetch, push... All interact with remote copies of the repo.
As in it's literally Github-in-a-box you can spin up a web-server with a command (Imagine a git serve command that launches your GitHub instance)
You can use Forgejo for Git, which takes Minutes to set up
Fossil takes seconds, so what's your point ? Forgejo is not Git though, it's more like an extension
I really don't need github in a box sir. I can use the command line just fine and if I need more my code editor interacts with git I show me a fine interface just fine. Spinning up a local web server to see how the vc is going seems like bloat. The Linux mantra is for each tool to be centralised around one task and fossil seems to be overreaching. It looks like they decided on the name appropriately, some old thing not relevant anymore the no one has heard about in a long time, a fossil.
Addendum: You know that most lemmy clients, even the webview, don't render the HTML tags, right?
That's cuz most devs are incompetent & unskilled code-monkeys, First of all it's the UNIX philosophy not Linux & Who decided on what mantra to use ?
Oh right you apparently
Fossil can track what you did, Git cannot & as for your Editor what does it do with Git anyway ?