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I would like to introduce you lovely OpenSource Lovers to a GIT-Alternative called FOSSIL that I also stumbled upon because of this Blog. It's basically opensource Github-in-a-box which means it's an SCM with:

  • Bug-tracker
  • Ticketting-system
  • Forum
  • Wiki-system
  • even a Chat-functionality
  • Has built-in GUI
  • Also has a Web-Server
  • Self-Hostable like Gitea/Forgejo

& the best part it's all in ONE STANDALONE FILE!!! which is extremely lightweight which you can copy to your $PATH & works even in crappy internet. how cool is that!!

However this tool supports a completely different style of development in FOSS called the "Cathedral-Style" whereas GIT suports a "Bazaar-Style" The person behind Fossil is the creator of SQLite, Dr.Richard Hipp & they even made other projects to support Fossil like a PIC-Like language called PikChr Well just in case; here's a list of difference between Git vs Fossil & guess what!! they even have a hosting service called CHISEL

Listen; Just check it out & use it for fun in your spare time even with the flaws it has (& Try out Darcs & Pijul as well)

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[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I support reconsidering Git VCS hegemony. Darcs & Pijul too for DVCS.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Darcs does not require a central server, and works perfectly in offline mode.

Git can be used that way too. Am I missing something?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 27 points 2 weeks ago

No, you are not. People regularly equate Git and GitHub, though.

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

no, this is exactly what git does

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Darcs came out in 2003—Git in 2005. It was novel at the time compared to the alternatives. Darcs started as alternative to CSV & Subversion, not Git. Unlike Git it works on patches, not snapshots which has advantanges in merge conflicts.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Git uses ~~mergetools~~, which do whatever you make them to. Patches can be created from snapshots, but snapshots are not guaranteed to be creatable from patches - you might not have original state.

EDIT: it uses merge drivers.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Patch Theory operates under the premise that patches commute & order should not matter until there is a conflict. Git will throw fits if you pull in a patch at the wrong order giving you a different snapshot.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Specific merge tool can throw fits. Git doesn't care about specifics of how merge operation is done, it just tells to merge driver to merge three files(A, B and common ancestor) and stops if driver reports an error.

Also to correct myself: merge driver, not mergetool.

[–] PHLAK@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Am I missing something?

No and, in fact, this was (and still is) a selling point of Git over the alternatives (e.g. Subversion) available at the time that required you to "check out" some code and no one else could check out/modify that code while you had it checked out.

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago

Since jujutsu is Git-compatible it has very much replaced Git for me and is what I'm using for everything now. Its workflow is so good and miles ahead of Git.

I was trying out Pijul for a while before that and while it has a lot of great ideas and has a lot of potential due to the way its foundations work its interface is way too janky right now and missing features and nothing I've reported or the many changes I've submitted have been fixed/pulled since March. I'd really like it to be good but alas...

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I ‘forgot’ it on purpose.

The compatibility with Git means it is ultimately shackled to the design decisions fundamental to Git which require hacky workarounds. The maker of Pijul has pointed out some of the fundamental ways it can never handle patches is the manner of Darcs/Pijul, but I am not in the position to pull some of these quotes.

I would rather see revolution over evolution, & the weird ties to Google & hosting the project Microsoft GitHub rub me wrong.

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

but they are working on their own vcs. I think git compatibility is not much more than a convenience in the long term.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Oh Yeah I like Pijul as well & I fully agree with your point of breaking the Git Hedgemony

BTW, tell me more about Darcs I want to know EDIT: Boy GIT-Fanboys are clearly mad about other VCSs existing😅

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Darcs is sort of like Pijul before Pijul. It is a little slower, but might not even affect you at your project size, but what it has instead is a longer history with more tooling & support—on the CLI, support from package managers, forge options. It ends up being my preferred option just for this reason even if Pijul has better performance, handles binary files, & the identity server is novel.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Is there any good videos on Darcs that I can watch ?

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago