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Oh noooo, he suffered a few days and then got to hang out with his dad in heaven for eternity and be worshipped by billions of people. What a sacrifice!
My take: death was preferable to living in the world his dad controled.
Idk man I don't think I would be okay with being nailed to a cross even if i knew it meant living in heaven for eternity
It happened to a huge amount of people. The Romans crucified so many people, it was so common place, that they didn't even bother to write down how they did it. All I'm saying is, it wasn't a unique form of suffering that was particularly difficult to Jesus vs thousands of other people in history. If the difficulty of the death was the measure, he didn't go that far out of his way.
Being common doesn't make it any less unpleasant
I just know there are Christians out there that have a very tenuous grasp on why exactly Jesus is the savior in Christianity and many think it's because his death was UNIQUELY painful. The idea that it was uniquely painful is very much nonsense, or we'd have a lot of saviors. He had a horrible but common place death.
Yeah but if he wanted he could have gotten something way more exotic, like being filled with spiders.
Fair enough, but I also don't think that we should consider a few days of suffering for an eternity of basically being god much of a sacrifice.
I wouldn't take an eternity of existence under any circumstances for anything. Please just let me fucking die when I'm done.
I wouldn't want the worship, but not being a regular mortal, having powers and omniscience and the like? Sure, I'd like that. Maybe I could make reality suck less for others.
Under any circumstances for anything
there's billions of ways others have died a worse death - I'll take a crucifixion knowing I'll get eternal life in heaven any day of the week.
Well, according to the renowned astrophysicist Belinda Carlisle, heaven is a place on earth.
The earth will eventually be swallowed by the sun.
Living for an eternity means that you will be alive when the earth is swallowed by the sun, you will live in that crushing depth. Until the sun is either swallowed by a black hole, or ripped apart by the ceaseless expansion of spacetime, ultimately ripping your eternal soul with it.
Uhh. Billions of ways? Lol the mythology describes a pretty fucking gruesome way to die. Whipped, beaten, nailed to a cross, stabbed, and left to suffocate.
Okay, I'm exaggerating for effect. That said, I'm not saying it isn't gruesome. I'm saying the "sacrifice" pales in comparison to everyday horrors that happen to real people who aren't promised eternal bliss for the loss of a single weekend. Just look at what the cartels post online, much worse options.
I would put being stabbed in the gut, shot, set on fire, and then drowned up slightly higher. For context one of my ancestors encountered a bandit who was strangely durable.