I see a huge potential for them to become an at risk minority. Why shouldn't I defend a group that I think is innocent and under threat? I don't want them to be next. Bullying of groups of people who do no harm, just want to express themselves in their own way, makes me sick.

[+] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world -17 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Because being a furry is a hobby, engaging in a hobby doesn't make you a minority.

No matter what happens, you can always stop looking at cartoon animals on the internet, can't really stop being gay or trans.

[–] cafeinux@infosec.pub 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Are we gatekeeping being rejected now?

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Let's not tolerate narrowing the spectrum of ways people can enjoy their lives. That's what totalitarian regimes do. They prohibit this and prohibit that, and in the end, you are only allowed to watch the approved movies, listen to the approved music and wear the approved clothes. You can stop expressing yourself, you can stop engaging in your hobbies, you can stop living the way you want to live, you can survive. But it sucks all happiness from your life.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do anything.

I'm just saying that equating a hobby to things people literally cannot change about these is absolutely horrible.

Going "well the transes have support but who is supporting furries" is stupid.

Yes, tons of furries are queer, this does not mean that to be a furry is to be queer, it's a square and rectangle kinda thing.

Get your rocks off any fucking way you want but equating liking cartoon animals to being trans, while there is an active push for trans genocide world-wide is fucking disgusting.

There will never be wide persecution or institutional oppression against the tony the tiger fan club.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm supporting trans people as well. This is not a popularity contest and I don't view it as either-or. I believe both trans people and furries should be part of the general discours about tolerance and inclusivity of our society. Our tolerance should be broad and not focused only on sexual minorities.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm not saying that being a furry should not be protected as artistic expression.

It's just ridiculous to put it on the same level as being lgbt, because being lgbt puts people at serious risk while being a furry means you'll have to deal with an obnoxious edgy 14 year old online every now and then.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Well, there are already countries where people are not allowed to be furries and countries where the persecution is just starting. It can happen anywhere. There's just one intolerance, no matter what target it choses. I'm not trying to compare furries and lgbt in any other way than in the hate those groups ignite in some people. And the hate is what I'm concerned with.

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This reads to me a lot like "I don't care what they do in their bedroom, but why do they have to be that way in public?"

[+] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world -8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I bet you have blue hair and pronouns

[–] chaonaut@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And now the pivot from furries to trans people. I am utterly shocked that this would be the case.

[+] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world -7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Chaonaut understand an obvious joke challenge

[–] chaonaut@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh, indeed. I'm sure you have a tight five about identifying as a helicopter you're just dying to share with us.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

From the context in this thread you could have clearly found out I'm not transphobic, especially since you seem to be stalking my replies.

Or maybe transphobes are now into pointing out that there's a trans genocide going on.

[–] chaonaut@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm all over this comment chain. It rather bothers me seeing this kind of bigotry get deployed against a queer subculture, and a rather long standing one, because it's the same oppression that gets put on us from the outside, and it is especially galling when I see queer people do it to other queer people. I presume that TERF lesbians calling trans people "predatory men invading women's spaces and misguided sisters" is something you can't stand at least as much as I do? Please recognize that painting furries as sexual degenerates is the same thing. Maybe I'm at a nexus of the gay furry community, but so many of the queer people in my locale are also part of the furry subculture, and, no, their existence is not purely sexual, and, yes, furry is a pretty core aspect of their identity and culture.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

calling trans people "predatory men invading women's spaces and misguided sisters" is something you can't stand at least as much as I do?

Never called anyone a predator.

Please recognize that painting furries as sexual degenerates is the same thing.

Never called anyone a sexual degenerate and never condoned it, furries are an artistic subculture and not inherently sexual.

but so many of the queer people in my locale are also part of the furry subculture, and, no, their existence is not purely sexual,

Again, never said they would be.

furry is a pretty core aspect of their identity and culture.

This doesn't make being a furry an inherently queer thing. Lots of queer people do theater, should being an actor get equated to being queer?

They're just different things, and while I don't want any harm to come to the furry community, equating furries with lgbt people whole cloth just feels disrespectful to the struggles of queer people.

[–] chaonaut@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Please recognize that other people in this thread are doing those things while you, separately, are merely deriding furries. And while they may not be wholly queer, there is a lot of queer people who are furries and, apparently, a least one study found that two-thirds of furries are queer. And, yes, as it happens "theatre kids" are often queer, and recognizing that a lot of homophobia is directed at theatre folk because it can be an space for queer people to safely explore their identity is somewhat important.