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The United States will not withhold military aid from Israel, the State Department said Tuesday, after top Biden administration officials warned a month ago that they would consider doing so if the flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza did not improve.

State Department deputy spokesman Vedant Patel said there would be no change to U.S. policy at the end of the 30-day deadline the U.S. set for Israel to improve conditions in Gaza. Aid groups and U.N. officials say Israel has largely failed to comply with U.S. demands, a Washington Post analysis found.

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

At this point I believe the US simply can't withhold support from Israel for some reason.
And they also can't publically disclose why that is.
But the consequences of withholding aid must be worse (at least for those in government positions) than a Trump dictatorship.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I know it's hard for some people to believe but USA is a racist, genocidal empire run by the extremely privileged indoctrinated with planet-destroying capitalist ideology.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Several theories:

  1. Epstein was mossad. There are a lot of tapes with a lot of people.

  2. Lots of Zionist billionaires: America is a plutocracy that acts on their behalf

  3. Some sort of "great game" calculus of keeping a client state for regional instability (Biden apparently believes this based on old speeches)

  4. Biden in particular has a melted brain. Many people have pointed out that Reagan was tougher on Israel than Biden has been. Reagan would set red lines and then say "you will comply."

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm convinced the answer is "Israel absolutely has nukes and will use them if we stop providing them conventional arms"

But the real answer is probably as mundane as "They are the core of US power projection and intelligence gathering in the middle east, and we really don't want to lose that level of influence in the region".

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago

core of US power projection and intelligence gathering

This is what Biden and probably other Washington ghouls think but if Israel is "projecting" American power then to what end? Meaning, what US interests are served? Cheaper oil? That's our relationship with SA which is potentially hurt by Israel's behavior (Israel, importantly, has no oil, we'd be better off normalizing with Iran). US bases? We don't have any bases in Israel, that would be Turkey, Bahrain, etc. Do you think Israel ever considers US interests before acting? If they did historically they definitely do not under Netanyahu.

With regards to intelligence, I am sure that when intelligence is shared it's done so to craft a narrative that Tel Aviv wants Washington to believe. Also mossad is the most pervasive, aggressive, and successful spy agency in Washington. The flow of information is heavily one-sided.

[–] mranachi@aussie.zone 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean, it's a highly visible strategic military position. I'm sure that American can technically give it up, but it's a huge cost.

US is global military hegemon, no matter how many civ games might make one think they have a cultural victory.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The US is when you've dominated the map militarily, neuter the other civs instead of sacking them, and then spend the rest of the game uncontested getting the cultural victory for the lulz.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

A huge cost for whom?

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Biden, like many others in both the Democratic and Republican Party, are Christian Zionists. It's ideological above all else for them. But I bet the money doesn't hurt

For many, the belief that God still has a special relationship with Israel also includes an emphasis on eschatology, or the end times, and the belief that Israel’s establishment is part of a series of events that will lead to large-scale war, leading to the battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus.

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They got nukes and google uss liberty

Long history of outsourcing illegal shit aside

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Who'd a thunk allowing a genocidal, theocratic ethnostate access to nuclear weapons would ever lead to issues?

Anyway enough about the US

[–] ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 month ago

We're in the RoboCop timeline for real.

[–] wes7ley@real.lemmy.fan 2 points 1 month ago

At this point I believe the US simply can't withhold support from Israel for some reason.

Isn’t it obvious? Israel is the only stable government in the region and provides the U.S. with valuable aid and resources in return. I’m not condoning the genocide. The hope was the alliance would outlive the Netanyahu government that is taking this action. Unfortunately, Trump winning means America lost its bargaining chip for ending the war peacefully.