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Why do people on reddit seem to hate Lemmy/Mbin/other federated link aggregators?
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this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2024
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Devs are allegedly Marxist-Leninists.
Redditors dont understand that devs dont exactly have full control of open source software, that different instances are not operated by the devs.
Edit: Lemmy devs to be specific
I don't get the hate against the lemmy devs tbh, they have their (perhaps controversial) political views but they leave everyone that's not on their site alone and it feels like they develop lemmy pretty impartially
sure they might ban you off ml but that's their site and they get to do whatever they want with it, just like every other instance
i mean network effect is a thing i guess but that's not as important on lemmy where there are usually similarly large communities about generic things on most major instances
Exactly .... it's also a double standard because reddit is basically a capitalist model of the same digital system but no one ever complains or criticizes it.
The socialist digital creators built something and shared it freely with everyone and also don't exert control over anyone.
The capitalist digital creatures built something and locked it up, monetized it and are using the user's efforts as the basis for the business only the owners make money on and have complete control over everything.
It's amazing because it's a fantastic metaphor for the two platforms.
Calling them "socialist digital creators" is misleading at best, if not an outright insult to socialism.
They are marxists-leninists who whitewash the crimes committed by the USSR and CCP. They support the genocidal invasion by Russia, a country that is neither socialist or democratic; it's an authoritarian capitalist oligarchy.
There is no double standard. You don't see the CTO of reddit running a subreddit dedicated to whitewashing the Pinochet regime and/or western colonialism in Africa or Asia.
Reddit is run by sketchy and corrupt individuals, it is possible that in a just world we would even call them criminals. Lemmy's marxists-leninists are openly supportive of genocidal actions and brutal authoritarian leadership. There is no comparison.
Could provide a link to a comment or a quote where the devs whitewash the crimes or support genocides?
My man, the head developer of lemmy is the admin of lemmygrad. He has a fucking Mao picture in his profile!
Don't even try to weasel your way around this. This is not going to work with me.
I hate these people. Pathetic larpers living in democratic countries while supporting authoritarianism and genocide. And when I say hate, I don't mean it in the internet slang way ("hater").
How should I put this without breaking any rules? I genuinely wish they meet the same fate as "Donbas Cowboy", Russell Bentley:
No, he is not. Check admins section on lemmygrad.ml, which profile do you think belongs to dessalines? He is only admin of lemmy.ml.
It's a controversial figure, but it doesn't mean that the dev supports crimes or genocides.
You judge people who support genocide, I get it and I here with you. But wishing death upon others because of their opinions? That’s just hypocrisy.
Are you sure about that? Why does this page state that:
With a further clarification that Muad'Dibber (who is currently an admin) is dessalines
Is Muad'Dibber not dessalines?
Controversial figure? Mao was a brutal dictator that directly caused an inordinate amount of deaths and suffering. He is no better than Stalin, Pinochet, Hitler or Pol Pot.
Since he runs lemmygrad, he most definitely supports the genocide of Ukrainians in the occupied territories. Before you start acting out, I'd like to see you and your family try and speak Ukrainian in the occupied and try and publicly oppose russian occupaiton. I think the example I provided with the “Donbas Cowboy”, Russell Bentley, should give you an idea of what life is like there.
And then there is also their support for the genocide of Uighurs in Xinjiang.
For you this is just random internet drama. I am not going to tolerate any degenerate LARPer shilling for russia and the CCP.
These are not mere opinions. These scoundrels wish me, my family and my fellow citizens harm in the most pathetic way possible; by LARPing online as marxist-leninists. It is reasonable to want them to end up like “Donbas Cowboy”, Russell Bentley. This a just and fair end for Western LARPers who whitewash genocide.
My bad, I didn’t know that! I assume it’s true then. Before the Reddit blackout, ML was a socialist-leaning instance (they edited the description of the instance), while Lemmygrad always were like this. It puzzles me why he might administrate both instances.
He made quite a lot of bad stuff, that's true. However, he also liberated the country from foreign occupation and advanced literacy, women's rights, basic healthcare, education, and life expectancy. China's population nearly doubled under his leadership. This is why he is considered controversial. It's strange to compare him with someone who occupied half of Europe.
You made conclusions about his opinions yourself and are trying to argue against them. Condemn actual statements. I don’t see dessalines wishing harm on you, but I do see you doing the very thing you criticize him for.
Come on now. Does it really puzzle you why he would admin lemmygrad? I am sorry, I don't buy this.
So you're saying that there is something inherent to Chinese culture that would not make it possible to advance literacy, women's right, basic healthcare without mass killings and brutality? Mao is a mass murderer.
Dessalines admins a instance that openly supports russia's (a country that's not in any way socialist) genocidal invasion of my country. That's not wishing me harm?
I'm just saying that it's a bit weird to administrate two instances related to socialism (they're the two oldest instances), but maybe he has his reasons 🤷
That's not what I said. I explained why he is considered controversial. He did many good stuff and that's why some Marxists like it. Not because some of his policies were responsible for a vast number of deaths - that would be weird 😅
Sure, Russia isn’t socialist by any stretch of the imagination. From what I can see, Lemmygrad users oppose NATO and US expansion, I don't think they want Ukrainian people to die.
He is an admin of lemmygrad. A cesspool of degenerate LARPers that support genocidal imperialism.
Mao is a mass murderer and an authoritarian. If you support him, you are white washing his crimes. You do understand that good things can be achieved without mass killings and implementing an authoritarian, one party state? Difficult stuff, I know!
No, they support the killing of Ukrainians and extermination of Ukrainian identity. They support interment of ten of thousands of Ukrainian civilians in russian torture camps. They support the destruction of the Ukraine as a nation and Ukrainian cultural identity.
It is fair and just to want such vile individuals to get a taste of their own medicine.
The NATO expansion stuff is a ruse. NATO expansion is determined by national self-determination; especially when your neighbour is a country where a strong majority of the population are genocidal imperialist.
Alledgedly?
Marxist Leninst is a nice way to put it, they support Putin, Xi. Zhedong and Stalin.
Thankfully as you say, it’s FOSS with free federation and defederation. Admins only have control over lemmy.ml.
Pretty sure that's only true about Lemmy. There are other threadiverse apps. The mistake is people calling the threadiverse lemmy.
Yep, though the alternatives are not quite there yet software wise, but MBin and Piefed aren’t that far behind..
I'm on a pretty old version of mbin (I have some modifications I made for federation issues back when it was kbin). I need to spend a weekend to pilot an upgrade and make sure I can run it safely live.
But even then it's better in some ways already and I never feel like I'm missing something from lemmy. But I think just calling the whole thing lemmy puts off people that are seeing things through a political lens.
yep. as an mbin cheerleader, i evaluated both and kbin was better looking and perfectly functional from the start. no app required. no custom user-land css.
but what really bothers me is the conflation of lemmy and fediverse. theyre used almost interchangeably. other platforms get lost in the discussion.
Also there are plenty of alternatives. Both PieFed and Mbin are perfectly fine platform with, as far as I know, no tankie developers associated with them.
Mbin isn't