Rather than scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds a more useful statement would be today's neoliberals can be tomorrow's socialists. But to do that we have to do the work of convincing people to be socialists. Teaching people neoliberalism is a scam is the first step in that.

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Nah we need to start punching neoliberals until they stop organizing and start supporting actual left causes, because they will never, under any circumstances, allow anything close to socialism. It works with nazis, why not their best friends? Either way it'll be very fun :3

[–] zante@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s a mistake to think liberal centrism is closer to the left than right. It’s not linear . More triangular.

It’s has been shown and writ large that the proletariat will move from left to right and vice versa, without going near liberal centrism

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago

In the context of a 2-d, Euclidean geometry, x and y axis political compass putting neoliberals slightly right of center makes sense. In different models a different position could make sense. People don't need to move through neoliberalism. The issue is that many if not most people in our society have neoliberal ideas in their heads.

Regan, Bush Sr, Clinton, W, Obama were all some variation on neoliberal. Neoliberal rhetoric laid the ground work for Trump. Biden also being a neoliberal hasn't moved the needle on this while in office. We can't wait for someone to do it for us. We have to help people fully internalize neoliberalism as a scam. Then teach them about socialism.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 0 points 6 days ago

i like this :)