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[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Most Americans have less than $1,000 in savings. So any car for that amount is not going to survive long. So most Americans still get loans for used cars.

And with interest rates so high, a payment of $550 will only get you about $25K. That's enough for a decent new small sedan, but if you have kids (especially if 3 or more), that's probably the minimum needed to get a used minivan that will last a while.

Anything else is only going to last a few years at best before needing major repairs.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I just did an autotrader search and in my (very unaffordable) area, there were lots of serviceable cars under 10k. If you live in a place with a garage you can even buy a used EV and eliminate whole categories of maintenance costs.

The whole point is to buy something that requires smaller or no monthly payments, and then bank the savings and eventually buy something better. "A couple of years" can do the trick in some cases.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

$10k for a serviceable minivan or other vehicle that would work as a primary car for parents? What about the problem that most households need two incomes and very few can commute together due to different schedules and locations and adding even an extra hour or two of daycare in order to share a car is often as much as a second car payment.

As I said, $25k is probably plenty for a small sedan for a single person who only uses it for commuting and grocery shopping, but not likely for people with multiple children that a small sedan or coupe would not work, households with multiple income earners, households with teenagers who also need a car to work, or all the other scenarios where a single, small, used sedan that's just good enough for a short daily commute is reasonable.

$550 in car payments for a houshold is not unreasonable for the vast majority of households and usually doesn't equate to frivolous spending.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

$550 in car payments for a houshold is not unreasonable for the vast majority of households and usually doesn’t equate to frivolous spending.

I don't think I necessarily disagree with this but the reality is that when you buy new you're always paying more. When you buy new on credit, you're paying even more than that.

So, like I said in the beginning, I don't 100% agree with this dude about even this whole post. But it is cheaper to buy used and even pay for the maintenance. It's a point almost not worth making because of how obviously correct it is.