A lot can happen between now and then that would cause their expenses to grow even more, for example if they need to start licensing the content they use for training.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

On the other hand some breakthrough in either hardware or software could make AI models significantly cheaper to run and/or train. The current cost in silicon is insane and just screams that there's efficiencies to be found. As always, in a gold rush, sell pickaxes

[–] dan@upvote.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

Definitely a possibility! It'll be interesting to see what happens.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 8 points 4 weeks ago

No and AI almost never will be. However, investor money keeps coming, so it doesn't matter.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 2 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Wait, since when it had not been? Or are you telling me that vastly the fastest growing platform in history with multiple payment gates (subscriptions, pay per token, licensing etc.) was not profitable for some reason?

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 32 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Not sure if you are joking but... it does not appear to be making anywhere near the amount of money that has been invested in it.

It costs a stupendous amount of money to develop the models, to train them, to rent out or just buy the hardware needed to do this, to pay for the electrical power to do this.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Not joking, I'm just underinformed

Now that I think of it, yeah, it makes absolute sense. It's not a stable income OpenAI is based on, but rather the endless wagons of money from hyped up sponsors. Very much unsustainable.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 weeks ago

the endless wagons of money from hyped up sponsors

For the record, that describes almost every big software company in the last 30 years.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

It isn't even close to making a profit. They are bleeding billions per year with no obvious path to breaking even, let alone profiting enough to justify their enormous valuation. It's very much a bubble and I look forward to the day it pops.

Edit: if you want a lengthy read on the subject https://www.wheresyoured.at/oai-business/

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

To be fair, if I had an option to effectively invest in Google circa 2004 in 2024 I would toss some spare money at it, and that's basically what OpenAI is offering at this moment. They've established themselves, shown strong leadership and established strong relationships with major companies. They're a leader in a particular product segment and while they could falter and fail, there's enough momentum that they're more likely to be acquired than to actually fail, plus they're swimming in extremely uncharted waters so there's plenty of opportunities for them to both greatly improve ongoing operational efficiency and to create new products with new markets, much like where Google was in 2004

[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Last time I heard, no. They are burning money to train new models.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Running those datacenters is extremely expensive.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 19 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

The cost is to the whole world, because they consume enormous amounts of energy and produce essentially nothing. Like bitcoin miners.

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 16 points 4 weeks ago

Worse than Bitcoin miners, AI seems to have the wholethroated support of capital (rather than a single faction), who see it as the next big form of automation

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

AI at least provides a clear product that can be a helpful workforce multiplier, whereas Bitcoin provided an unprotected alternative to traditional markets with none of the safeguards nor legal precedents of traditional markets, so it's only led to illegal activities piled upon illegal activities

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 weeks ago

It's following the Amazon monopolization model.

[–] facow@hexbear.net 10 points 4 weeks ago

Or are you telling me that vastly the fastest growing platform in history with multiple payment gates (subscriptions, pay per token, licensing etc.) was not profitable

Are you not aware that 99 times out of 100 if you see a tech company rapidly growing it's completely unprofitable and not even attempting to be profitable yet? It's called blitzscaling and is pretty clearly what openai is attempting. Like if you see a tech company quickly growing you should be assuming it's unprofitable until proven otherwise not the opposite lol.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 weeks ago

Estimates from earlier this year are that they spend $2.35 for every $1 they make.

[–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They've never been profitable and current estimates say they won't be profitable until at least 2029: https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-profit-funding-ai-microsoft-chatgpt-revenue-2024-10

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 weeks ago

They should ask ChatGPT hoe to make OpenAI profitable. I'm sure the answer will make them take off.