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An Israeli attack on Beit Lahiya, a town in northern Gaza, killed at least 73 Palestinians on Saturday evening, according to the enclave's government media office.

More than 100 others were wounded and several people missing.

Israeli air strikes targeted a multi-floor building and damaged a number of nearby houses, medics in the Gaza Strip reported.

The government media office said that Israeli forces had bombed overcrowded residential areas in Beit Lahiya, adding that women and children were amongst the casualties.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I've lost faith at this point.

Canada's Prime Minister just posted something about the October 7th incident like it's the most horrible thing to happen in the Middle East, when there's a literal Holocaust happening in all of Palestine.

It's fucking tone deaf.

But he's got the anti defamation league and B'nai B'rith breathing down his neck at the same time. So it doesn't matter what we do or say or how much we write to them or protest, they still won't fucking listen.

And somehow, the conservatives are high in the polls for the next election somehow.

It make zero sense.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Damn, Canadian politics sounds pretty bad too right now. Seems like Fascism is rising everywhere in the Western countries

https://ceasefirenow.ca

Every action helps, the more public pressure the better

For my fellow Americans:

https://www.ceasefirenow.org/

https://ceasefiretoday.com/

https://uscpr.org/take-action/

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It makes a bit more sense when you remember countries like Canada, the UK and Germany are on America's leash.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Which is in turn on Netanyahu's leash.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

WTF do you want us Germans to do? Read the Einstein-Ardent letter from 1948 to the New York Times, good old Albert hit the nail on the head and I fully agree with him.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I don't think its a good idea to compare it to the holocaust.

Genocide takes many different forms. Its still a genocide even if the people aren't being exterminated by toxic gas and their remains burned in ovens.

Gaza is still a concentration camp even if they're not wearing prison clothes and forced to work for the Israeli State.

Genocides take many different forms, but if you call this a Holocaust then you're just falling into a Hasbara trap that's very easy to prove you wrong.

Call it a genocide, not a Holocaust.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They've been systematically eliminating Gazans at this point. Concentrating them in camps and them bombing the camps. Setting fire to them with incendiary bombs. They've had snipers shoot children. They've been systematically and indiscriminately killing everyone. They've almost wiped out the entire population of Gaza.

What makes that different from a Holocaust?

According to History.com:

The Holocaust was the state-sponsored persecution and mass murder of millions of European Jews, Romani people, the intellectually disabled, political dissidents and homosexuals by the German Nazi regime between 1933 and 1945. The word “holocaust,” from the Greek words “holos” (whole) and “kaustos” (burned), was historically used to describe a sacrificial offering burned on an altar.

After years of Nazi rule in Germany, dictator Adolf Hitler’s “Final Solution”—now known as the Holocaust—came to fruition during World War II, with mass killing centers in concentration camps. About six million Jews and some five million others, targeted for racial, political, ideological and behavioral reasons, died in the Holocaust—more than one million of those who perished were children.

What's happening right now is no different from that. Anyone that's Arab in the region has faced state-sponsered persecution and mass murder. Israel is burning everything down from Gaza to the West Bank to Lebanon and it'll keep going beyond those borders into Syria and even Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

That's their "final solution". It's to kill everyone in those region or get rid of them one way or another. They're experimenting how far they can push the limits of their international support.

If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear your arguments.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What you're describing is a genocide. Its a genocide that's very different from the holocaust.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm asking you to explain to me what is so different from what is happening in Gaza to a Holocaust.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As I said above, they're not wearing the same clothing made of black and white stripes. They're not doing slave labor. They're not being gassed with the same chemicals. They're not being burned in ovens.

Its a genocide with different mechanisms of extermination. The 2013 Gaza Genocide is very different from the Rwandan Genocide, just as the 2013 Gaza Genocide is very different from the Holocaust.

[–] Naryn@lemmy.world -5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Gaza is still a concentration camp even if they're not wearing prison clothes and forced to work for the Israeli State.

It's not a concentration camp, it's a hostile foreign territory that carries on launching hundreds of rockets into Israel.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago

Gaza has a right to defend itself