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Hungary's push for chat control failed as Dutch secret service opposes client-side scanning | For the umpteenth time, the EU Council can't agree on Chat Control - a great victory for privacy (tuta.com)

submitted 2 months ago by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Another month, another attempt: Even though Hungary had to cancel the latest EU Council's vote on the Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) Regulation in June 2024 because there was no majority among member states, it tried again this Wednesday - without success. The tipping point was that the Dutch secret service clearly issued their opinion on the enormous threat to everybody's security should end-to-end encryption be weakened. Encryption is paramount for the digital resilience in Europe.

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[–] hagelslager@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Often when it comes to international cybercrime and dismantling "secure messaging apps" for drug gangs, Dutch secret services often seem to be involved. So yeah, I think they'll have ways to get the info they need if needed.

It doesn't help for Orban the current prime-minister is a former boss of the general secret service.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

and dismantling “secure messaging apps” for drug gangs

Which are usually not secure.

Of what I've heard, gangsters seem to be amazingly naive in the sense of really acting along the movie model of "finding that smart nerd guy who'll make the obscurest thing in existence". They don't know the thumb rules of "don't roll out your own crypto" and "security through obscurity" being bad and that math doesn't pick sides.

So - they look at respected solutions, like Signal or something else, and think that they are smarter and to be safer, they'll find someone real, and they do. And the person or group or company they find is usually employed with some secret service.

Then the "directed by Robert B Weide" caps appear.

In some sense that's similar to what Israel did to Hezbollah with pagers.