I'm not even going to argue science with you at this point because you are so far off of what even nonvegans who care about the environment usually agree on and you clearly have an issue believing or understanding research.

Your trolly problem point is a nothing sandwich. Vegans get a win win in that refusal to eat animal products results in overall harm reduction in our real world. So it doesn't matter whether or not they are rights-based or utilitarian vegans.

You can deny evidence and think what you want but now you are really just arguing for your sake instead of being honest with yourself.

If you are so into philosophy you would probably know your anecdote about your wife means nothing to me.

Also YOU see preachy vegans, stop assuming what others see. I've seen more people go vegan and its better evidence for this than your wife anecdote.

Again, JWs preach something no one sees. Animal agriculture is a real thing and its a false equivalence, Mr. Philosophy

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not even going to argue science with you at this point because you are so far off of what even nonvegans who care about the environment usually agree on and you clearly have an issue believing or understanding research.

Just from how you worded this, I think that's probably smart.

Your trolly problem point is a nothing sandwich

I see. I'm sorry you feel that way about ethics.

Vegans get a win win in that refusal to eat animal products results in overall harm reduction in our real world

And I bet you can formally prove that in some ethical framework instead of make the claim despite me having knowledge it's false

So it doesn’t matter whether or not they are rights-based or utilitarian vegans.

Nothing matters but you winning against the non-believers?

You can deny evidence and think what you want but now you are really just arguing for your sake instead of being honest with yourself.

Reptent, sinner, and turn to our lord and savior Bob. You know he's the true god. You've always known. Just be "honest with yourself" and stop denying the evidence of his coming......... Do you not see how utterly mindlessly inane that sounds? You're now trying to convince me that NOT ONLY is everything I know to be true a lie, but that deep down inside I KNOW that everything I know to be true is a lie.

A this point, you might as well try to make me an antivaxer or flat-earther. But I guess using common sense is out the window because, as you admit, I already have enough knowledge not to be convinced by rhetoric.

If you are so into philosophy you would probably know your anecdote about your wife means nothing to me.

No. I knew that from the point where you got offended by being called smug, and then started replying with things like.... Well, this smug insulting hateful post of yours I just replied to.

I'm gonna hit that little "Block" button now, quite comfortable in the fact that I have succeeded in my goal of showing how wrong veganism is.

[–] norawibb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I felt that way about your irrelevant trolley problem, not ethics. The point of the win win is that it doesn't matter why they do something if the outcome is the same... Yes? I want people to stop exploiting animals... False equivalence to religion again. What a winner 🏆, you declared it a success 👏.