Element is launching the world’s first communications platform based on the upcoming Matrix 2.0 release. The result is blazing performance which outperforms the mainstream alternatives - across a decentralised system that enables self-hosting and end-to-end encryption - as well as open standard interoperability to revolutionise real time communication between large organisations.

Built on Matrix 2.0, Element X now rivals the performance of centralised consumer messaging apps, empowering organisations to address the shadow IT issues caused by consumer-grade messaging apps in the workplace.

The new Element communications solution consists:

Element X, our next-gen app with an array of new features

Element Call fully integrated into Element X, for native Matrix-encrypted voice and video

Element Server Suite, our backend hosting solution for powerful admin control and Matrix 2.0 performance

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[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The result is blazing performance which outperforms the mainstream alternatives

I highly doubt that. At last the last version of it (released earlier this year) that supported my previous phone I'm pretty sure was more sluggish than telegram.
And even though it's not really a visible problem on my new one, and even though that I can't check it's resource usage anymore (thanks again google for fucking uo /proc! it was a huge idea!), it still means that it uses more battery power

[–] Untold1707@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Native Sliding Sync (AKA Simplified Sliding Sync) was just released to Synapse and Element X over the past couple of weeks. It’s not an exaggeration to say that it is FAST now. My fairly large account usually syncs instantly now. If not instant, the longest I’ve seen was 1 second. Give Element X a try again (assuming your home server supports SSS).

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 3 months ago

my previous phone is not supported by current versions of element x. on the new one, I would probably not notice anything, because it's not slow there and OS battery usage accounting is garbage.

currently I'm waiting for an F-droid release, as they are 3 months behind

[–] seang96@spgrn.com 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately the rust SDK / android version still doesn't support native / simplified sliding sync. I updated synapse to v1.115.0 and cannot login. Apparently you have to use the proxy server sliding sync to login then toggle a developer setting, logout and log back in to use native one on android.

[–] Untold1707@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Android and iOS EX actually both use the rust SDK under the hood, but iOS is usually used as the test bed so it gets features a little faster than Android. EX iOS just got a stable version of it a couple days ago, so a more native feeling login process for SSS on Android should be coming very soon!

[–] seang96@spgrn.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah was kinda sad since android got like 3 releases in the last 3 days but SDK is not updated yet I guess. I'm hoping unified push will work with it better since it stopped working this month.

Edit also unread count / marking as read, that seems super broken in the older app.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Element X is a completely different beast though. Not only is it a successful Rust rewrite, but they also fixed the system architecture of Matrix to improve speeds. They haven't matched Telegram's usability though, but they're close to Signal's.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 3 months ago

Not only is it a successful Rust rewrite

only the crypto SDK is Rust, the frontend and other app code is kotlin

but they also fixed the system architecture of Matrix to improve speeds

they did that by storing a lot less of the state on your phone in my understanding, and that means it won't work as whell when offline or on a slow connection, and will use more mobile data from the cap. that is, if I'm correct.

[–] lemmus@szmer.info 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Telegram isn't really an alternative, they don't even use encryption by default, so it should be faster. Better to compare real alternatives: Signal, Whatsapp, Simplex etc.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Telegram isn't really an alternative, they don't even use encryption by default, so it should be faster

even the user interface? the animations all over the app, scrolling between 2 consecutive messages of a room or anywhere in the settings? It's not like element would encrypt the data at rest anyway. any and all menus of telegram are noticeably smoother, when not even looking for it

[–] lemmus@szmer.info 2 points 3 months ago

When telegram team is mainly focusing on UX instead of privacy and security, it is not wierd for me. They don't have to bother about encryption, about matrix protocol which federates all the self-hosted servers, about self-hosting in itself etc. I'm pretty sure element's UX is a side-quest compared to all those other things under the curtain. Summing it up, Element X is in fact a huge upgrade, making it closer in UX to other mainstream apps like those i mentioned above, not Telegram, because it is not even a messenger, its just a social media app that immitates "private and secure" messenger, but in reality it is just twitter DM.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

No but people use it because it's pleasant and easy to use with a nice UI, lots of features for stickers and sharing content, etc..

Having encryption and being 'secure' is not what will get most people to switch from Discord and Telegram, having the same features and doing it even better will.