Meanwhile, the fact that you see rational analysis for the reasons for the war as vocal support for Putin shows just how utterly intellectually impoverished you are.

[–] mormund@feddit.org -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please enlighten me how I defended anyone's actions in Yugoslavia or even mentioned anything about that conflict at all.

Rational analysis, where you are incapable of addressing any wrong doing of the one person that declared an offensive war? Please attack me personally instead of acknowledging that maybe it is not so good to march into your neighbors territory and bomb their cities. But you do you. I'm sure you have your reasons.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh my bad, it was ristoril_zip that was justifying NATO in Yugoslavia, you just kept talking about whataboutism.

Rational analysis, where you are incapable of addressing any wrong doing of the one person that declared an offensive war? Please attack me personally instead of acknowledging that maybe it is not so good to march into your neighbors territory and bomb their cities. But you do you. I’m sure you have your reasons.

Yes, rational analysis as outlined by one of the most eminent geopolitcal researches in US https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/who-caused-the-ukraine-war

Using your logic, Mearsheimer must be a Russian propagandist. I'm sure you have your reasons for spreading simplistic narratives about the war that ignore the actual reasons behind it.

[–] mormund@feddit.org -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I see, it happens, apology accepted :)

Well since you love fallacies so much I will overlook your appeal to authority and just quote the guy, who ever the heck he is.

This is not to deny, of course, that Russia invaded Ukraine and started the war.

So yeah. What else did I claim when I said that Putin is directly responsible for the war?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well since you love fallacies so much I will overlook your appeal to authority and just quote the guy, who ever the heck he is.

I'm not making any appeal to authority. I'm providing you with well argued and sourced explanation of what actually happened. Notice how you did not address any of the points being made in the article.

So yeah. What else did I claim when I said that Putin is directly responsible for the war?

Nice cherry picking there because that's not really the point that the article is making is it?

[–] mormund@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, why would I address anything of any subtly or nuance if you cannot even agree to the most basic facts. Facts backed up by your own source?

All you have done so far is back pedal when I try to follow your reasoning. So, please come back to me if you are able to critique anything at all about Putin or Russia. Until then it is a waste of time talking to you.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

No, why would I address anything of any subtly or nuance if you cannot even agree to the most basic facts. Facts backed up by your own source?

Facts backed by empirical evidence and history. The two things you continue to ignore here.

All you have done so far is back pedal when I try to follow your reasoning. So, please come back to me if you are able to critique anything at all about Putin or Russia. Until then it is a waste of time talking to you.

I haven't back pedaled on anything, but it's clear that an honest discussion is not possible with you. Bye.