Riots are a last resort because people end up dead or in jail if they fail. You want to keep people who are on your side free and alive while achieving your goals.

[–] vaeleery@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK Jr. - “The Other America,” 1968

Love this quote, everyone starts with the last sentence and sometimes include a few sentences after that but I think this section is the most generically useful bit. This applies everywhere for every struggle of the oppressed.

[–] Kalkaline@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wise words, but I think even MLK Jr would say take the peaceful approach first. You have to give peace a chance. If that doesn't work, you escalate from there, but you don't go scorched earth without trying the alternatives first.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He used peace because the bigots seeing "inferior violent savages" organizing peaceful protests made them more uncomfortable than if they were violent. It's not because he thought violent protest was outright bad, just not as useful in his circumstances. He worked along side of organizers who did use violence. His approach was likely strengthened by this. Also, so many of his protests were called riots by the media. If you take a stand against the monied, they will use it to make your movement appear violent and evil even when it's not.

[–] Kalkaline@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

You do understand I'm not saying "riots and violence don't have a place", they absolutely do. What I'm saying is don't go straight to riots and violence unless peaceful options have been exhausted. The French and US revolutions were two prime examples of violence bringing change, and I can't say there was anything wrong with what the people were doing as those in power refused to accept peaceful resolution.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago

His way was nonviolent, not peaceful.

What he was doing and why is often buried in history class - you could put it as "exploiting the system until everyone feels the hurt"

Civil disobedience wasn't about a message or public sentiment - they were about getting arrested. You make a scene, the police are called, you refuse to cooperate until they're forced to arrest you.

Having been arrested, they either let you go and you do it again, or they charge you - and now you're in the court system. Now you have standing to challenge the laws, appeal to higher courts, and counter-sue

They tied up the courts, ground businesses to a halt, and disrupted people's lives

It wasn't physically violent, but it was violent in a more metaphorical way. They didn't win over hearts and minds... They just made it more politically costly to keep fighting them off than to give in

And there's an argument to be made that this all wouldn't have worked without the black Panthers... Their purpose was to show up armed when the police came to black neighborhoods. They were an unspoken threat - we're playing within the rules of the system, but if you break them all bets are off

[–] Rentlar@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For context this is the full quote, where MLK Jr. condemns riots but also equally condemns the conditions that cause people to riot: inequality, injustice, lack of humanity, lack of progress.

Let me say, as I’ve always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I’m still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapons available to oppress[ed] people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve, that in a real sense, it is impractical for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. Continue to affirm that there is another way.

But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities, as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society, which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. And in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. So in a real sense, our nation’s summer’s riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

[–] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm not gonna die for what? So others get to reap the reward? The only reward I got to reap is other people's greed. I'm not dying for your kids lol.

[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

You're allowed to decide where your moral responsibilities lie. I will say that "I'm not going to do anything that has no value for me personally" is a take that's caused a lot of the ills plaguing the world today. Not suggesting you have to die for others but remember that a rising tide raises all ships, and a better world will be better for everyone, including you and the people you care about.

"I'm not the one being oppressed so I'll just sit back and watch" is the stance the US tried to take in WWII until it affected them personally and just imagine how things could have turned out had they stayed that course.