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I have ~~a~~ some question(s).
Did all pagers in Lebanon just explode or was it only targeted pagers of terrorists that exploded? where they rigged with explosives? how can such a small device in the hands of so few people hurt so many people if they were not rigged with explosives? Was it only terrorist using pagers or is this still a thing i Lebanon?
Allegedly the shipment was intercepted and there was semtex installed
Hezbollah decided to switch to using pagers because you can't track them. Not sure if anyone else (eg. Medical personnel) was also using them.
Only Hezbollah pagers exploded.
The 10 year old girl was Hezbolah?
Whoever gave her the pager likely was.
Or maybe she died because she was young and small.
You and all the people upvoting you are fucking insane. Justifying a little girl during like this is peak American coping mechanisms.
What do you think about the 11 Druze children, tha Hezbollah killed?
Is israel saying its a retaliation for that? Would make more sense.
No, Israel never acknowledges clandestine attacks like this.
Hezbollah has been firing rockets at Israel since the war in Gaza started. So yes, of course this is retribution.
Well then why are people framing it as some smart attack rather than revenge?
Because people are ignorant about this conflict and like to always blame Israel for everything.
So that’s justification to kill her?
No, it’s an unfortunate accident.
it wasn't though.
they deliberately set off an explosive device with no notion as to where that device or who else it was around. This was a deliberate act, and the way their using them, the chaos and "collateral damage" isn't a bug, it's a feature.
Pagers are usually carried by the owners, which in this case were Hezbollah combatants. So they knew where they were.
The chaos is intended. Collateral damage has no benefit.
Even if you take the assumption for granted, no. They did not know any such thing. At all.
First off, lets talk about the assumption- that the pager was issued to, and in the possession off, a hezbollah member.
That’s it. That’s as far as they “knew”, and it’s really just an assumption. For all mossad knew, a few got passed around to friends or family. You know. “For their safety”, or something.
Now onto how there was no knowledge of where those IEDs were physically located. Pagers are passive receivers. The pager network sends a signal, then pagers receive it and display a number or whatever.
They don’t always do two-way communication, and given their reason for buying them… I doubt these are. Which means the pagers are entirely passive and probably would work over most the globe. As long as the pager (which is the receiver) is in range of its broadcast tower network (which probably includes satellites,) then they work.
There’s a reason they’re used by emergency services, and it’s that drop-dead-simplicity and reliability.
So no. Mossad or whoever did not know where rhe fucking bombs were. All they knew was that they were likely to be physically near targets of interest.
But they had know way of knowing who had which pager (probably.) or where that pager was, or who else was around that pager.
In short this is as indiscriminate as Russia’s use of cluster munitions on cities. It’s absolutely terrorism.
We’d be starting WW 3 if hezbollah or hamas did this to Israel. So why are we tolerating this from Israel?
Hezbollah is a serious and well organized terrorist group. Their members will get in serious trouble if they just give away their on duty pager. These are not toys or handed out as such for fun. Who gets a pager is controlled and tracked by Hezbollah. They know about Israel’s intelligence and surveillance capabilities. Using pagers in the first place is a security measure.
Even in Lebanon smart phones are cheap and ubiquitous. Pagers are only useful for very niche use cases.
Yes.
Ridiculous. A cluster munition covers a whole area with shrapnel indiscriminately. Tiny bombs carried by targets are a whole different category both as a weapon and effects wise.
Hamas has indiscriminately slaughtered civilians on October 7th and fires unguided rockets at inhabited areas. Hezbollah fires rockets into Israel constantly and indiscriminately, killing Druze children playing outside.
The whole reason Israel did this attack is because Hezbollah just doesn’t want to stop attacking Israeli civilians.
There’s no world war 3. Israel gets hated on and condemned every time they defend themselves against terrorists attacking their cities.
The ordinance in a cluster munition is called a bomblet. It’s called a bomblet because it’s a tiny bomb
And like a cluster munition, the pager has caused indiscriminate shrapnel across an entire city.
the whole reason hamas did the attack was because of apartheid conditions in Gaza.
You attack them, they attack you, you attack them, round and round it goes until there’s nobody left to attack.
And yes. Israeli paramilitaries started the current cycle of violence with the Nakba. I’m tired of the bullshit. Aren’t you?
Didn’t say there was . I said “if”, with the hypothetical that roles were reversed.
Are you really saying that’s not true?
You act like there moral superiority. There is none. Your response to a terrorist attack is to genocide a people.
Which, to be perfectly blunt, is the reason people are being critical of (not hating in my case,) the Israeli government. Because they’re doing a genocide.
And the reason I’m critical of you? You’re defending genocide.
I'm going to guess she was very close to her father when the bomb went off. According to reports, a message (phone number?) was sent to all of the intercepted Hezbollah pagers at 3pm local time (IIRC), after a couple of seconds, the bomb went off. So a likely scenario is the father had the girl on his lap, the pager starts buzzing/ringing, dad reaches into his pocket and pulls out the pager to read the message. Proximity to the pager killed the girl while only injuring dad since he has a much greater body mass. Or, perhaps the pager was laying on a table and the girl picked it up? It's sad, either way.
Doesn't matter if it was hizbollah pagers or not. Hizbollah fighter also had to live normal life, go to shops to buy food etc
This is why i also ask if they were rigged with explosives or they somehow made the batteries explode or smth. There are no details in the local news but clips of some guy falling over because something in his pocket exploded. This made no sense that something like that, could cause 2750 injuries unless almost 3000 pagers exploded in a similar way, especially because everything around these guys, was barelly affected!
From what I have read elsewhere, batteries don't explode. They can heat up and catch fire, but not explode. From what I have read online, a small amount of explosives were added to the pagers plus a very small detonator.
Yeah.. i have read multiple explanations from the shipment being intercepted and rigged, to the actual pagers being old but they all had their batteries replaced recently with rigged ones. It does indeed sound like some explosives were introduced into the pagers, one way or annother.
Hezbollah fighter could choose to live normal life and not be a member of Hezbollah. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas...
I don't care about hizbollah. I care about the civilians who didn't choose to be with a hizbollah fighter in the same place. Israel did the plan knowing really well that civilians and members of the fighter families would die.
And Hezbollah doesn't care about any civilians that get killed near them. 'Involuntary Martyrs' is the term I believe they used. According to reports, only 14 people have died, which is an extraordinarily low number considering that Israel went after thousands of targets that don't wear uniforms and deliberately intermix freely amongst civilians.
Yes hizbollah doesn't care about civilians, the problem is that you are removing alll the blame from israel. You are forgetting the hundred of injured too. If you think it's ok for israel to sacrifice civilians to kill militants you are a terrible human being
From the videos I have seen, very few truly innocent bystanders are being hurt. These are very small explosive charges. In one video, a Hiz dude looks at his pager while he is in the produce section of a market. There are about 4 - 5 people within 10 feet of him. The pager explodes, Hiz dude goes down, no one else is hurt. In a second video, Hezbollah member is paying for something. He is within arm's reach of the clerk he is giving the money to. The pager goes off, he goes down. The clerk runs away unscathed.
In the history of warfare, this operation may be the most surgical of strikes ever in regards to intended targets hit vs innocent civilians hit.
It's a sad fact of modern warfare that if a militant group doesn't wear uniforms and tries to hide amongst civilians, it opponents will eventually go after them and there will be civilian casualties.
Here are the videos I was talking about. Be warned, they are a little rough to watch. There isn't any blood, but the audio is quite disturbing. You may want to mute them.
Here is the market video I was talking about. https://funker530.com/video/hezbollah-operatives-getting-wrecked-by-exploding-pagers
Here is the payment video: https://funker530.com/video/another-hezbollah-pager-explodes-on-camera
Sorry, you are just a scum