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[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I understand that trucks and SUVs are more dangerous to pedestrians due to increases in hood height and reduction in curvature (along with reduced visibility). Is this not correct?

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It is - both things can be true. There are certainly some types of vehicles and conditions that are less safe than others, often for unjustifiable and stupid reasons, but the general trend of the average vehicle over time is towards being much safer than in the past. You'd still rather be hit by an SUV with a crumple zone than a sedan with an all steel body, all else being equal.

[–] bob_omb_battlefield@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not sure that's true for pedestrians? Going over the hood on a sedan might be better...

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If you get the opportunity. It's just as likely the impact of the all-steel frame with no crumple actually bisects your body right in half, or crushes your internal organs to paste.

Rolling over a hood is "better" because it consumes energy. Everything about mitigating a crash impact is about putting as much of the energy of the impact as possible somewhere other than a human body. You don't get the opportunity to do that at all if the initial impact is rigid. It's putting all that collision energy directly into you.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think the average human has enough mass to meaniningfully use a crumplezone. The trend of higher bumper heights causes more head an chest injuries than lower bumper heights. Higher bumper heights also increase the chances of being run over.

The average car is also much heavier these days and simple math means that car will have more force on impact at the same speed compared to a lighter car.

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

You are absolutely right that cars are heavier now, which means they are putting more energy into a collision, but cars are also better at dissipating that energy. I don't actually know enough to know what wins in that face-off. You could very well be right. I'd defer to someone with more expertise in collisions.