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Whats your guess on when americans will figure it out ? (hexbear.net)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

After they killed the czars, they turned on the people.

Yea, they helped the people by ending famines, doubling life expectancy, getting to 99% literacy rates, provided free college and healthcare, and democratized government.

That's the part tankie won't teach you folks but a quick Wikipedia search should explain to you what they did to the peasants, esp in Ukraine and Kazakhstan

Are you genuinely under the impression that Marxists somehow spent their entire lives avoiding western narratives around the USSR, read dozens of books on history and theory, and somehow have never once seen the western point of view? Are you specifically referring to events, or their entire history?

As an example, prior to the current Russo-Ukranian conflict escalating in 2022, in 2019 62% of Ukranians said they were worse off then, than under Communism. Ukranians enjoyed being a part of the USSR more than they do being a part of the current Ukranian State. Similarly, Central Asia (including Kazakhstan) is not without Soviet Nostalgia either.

This is, of course, after you said using violence against oppressors makes you no better than them, which automatically makes you anti-Palestine, pro-Confederacy, anti-Haitian Slave Revolt, anti-French Revolution, and against all violent liberatory movements, if we assume you to be morally consistent.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As an example, prior to the current Russo-Ukranian conflict escalating in 2022, in 2019 62% of Ukranians said they were worse off then, than under Communism. Ukranians enjoyed being a part of the USSR more than they do being a part of the current Ukranian State.

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Make some fake survey to justify fake position, ignore 100 years of history and current situation.

Delusional haha

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Which part is fake, and why? Your beloved wikipedia agrees with what I'm saying here too, I just thought you might like to see direct sources. Do you have a single source?

[+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Cherry picking survey to support your position while ignoring overwhelming majority voting to exit Russian clown state along with every other republic.

Didn't cherry pick at all, Socialism was better for Ukranians and every group in the former USSR. Additionally, it's quite the opposite to say that most people wanted out of the USSR, the vast majority wished to retain the USSR in a popular vote. The USSR was dissolved illegally against the will of the people.

Saying this shit while Ukraine has to fight a war for its existance is beyond idiotic. Who do you think you covering with this?

Are you under the impression that the Russian Federation is somehow still Communist, or are you just racist against Russians? What's your point, here? Are you saying you hate the USSR because they were Russian, not because they were Communists, or was this just a fumbled point?

Do you ever wonder why Warsaw pack states joined EU and NATO first chance they got?

Shock Therapy destroyed these countries, 7 million people died due to the collapse of the USSR. The Warsaw Pact nations flocked to the more stable western nations as the same western nations plundered the remnants of the USSR.

Must be because life under Russian boot was that great lol

Again, as we can see, life was better under Socialism, more economically stable, and more democratic, hence why people that actually lived in the USSR have a highly consistent favorable opinion.

Please, read modern history books written after the opening of the Soviet Archives, where historians were finally granted access to internal historical evidence. Right now your only argument is just that you think Russians themselves are bad, which is blatant racism.