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The "invasion" of Russia isn't an invasion though. They have no desire (and no capability) to actually take land.
It's a war Russia started by invading Ukraine. Of fucking course it's reasonable to expect Ukraine to counterattack.
You can't simply hit someone unprovoked and then get mad when they hit back.
Or course drafting is controversial but it's much less so when the purpose is to protect your country and home compared to what Russia is doing with their drafts where the only purpose is to kill and invade Ukraine.
If Russia surrendered with reasonable terms, Ukraine would obviously exit Russia. They have no desire to keep it.
Russia propaganda be saying the same thing, for them it's a "special operation" and not an invasion. The conversation you are replying to makes reference to another thread in which "orders to invade russia" were mentioned.
So let me ask you something: if you were born in russia and kazakistan declares war to russia would you be fine with you and your friends be drafted by force and sent to the front fighting under the command of putin and its mobsters? Perhaps not everyone is willing to die burned alive in a trench, be it for the russian or ukrainian government.
Ukrainian people perhaps no. Worldwide governments seem to have an interest in this war because they are doing everything to fuel it.
Bingo. This nullifies your credibility. Either you're a troll or an idiot.
That's simply what is happening look around you. Rulers and politicians profits in war, the military industry is booming, the cash is flowing. You think the really same people aiding israel in its genocide gives a fuck about peasants dying in a war?
https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/01/25/russia-continues-to-buy-iveco-lmv-armored-cars-from-italy_562027
Companies mentioned in an article you linked aren't getting the cash flow enough to warrant any improvement in related economies. I see Russian politicians profiting off various things during war but they were doing the same before.
So, short effects of the war on economies are not worth the long term effects of deaths of many consumers anywhere. Using the "war helps economy" argument while forgetting how the deaths and active aggression affect the world and lives, is a manipulation, which is also heavily used by those aggressors (Russia).
Telling Israel is doing a genocide without mentioning what hamas were doing to Israel is also a manipulation.
I would never be fine with fighting for a tyrannical country like Russia. I would absolutely fight Russia if they invaded my home and we somehow managed to counterattack on Russian territory.
Ukraine is a way better country than Russia, of course the majority of its people want to stay Ukrainian. And no I'm not saying Ukraine is perfect, it's just better than Russia.
The government of ukraine and its politicians don't seem too different from these or russia, germany, france, italy or usa. In all these countries climate activists gets beaten and civil protests get repressed. All these countries support israel in its genocide and sell weapons to saudi arabia. In a way or another they are all tyrannical and not worth die burned alive in a trench for.
Really? You really think that Russian politicians (aka Putin since Russia isn't a democracy) are comparable to western nations?
Russia is one of the worst places to live in when it comes to rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of press. Western nations aren't perfect but they aren't Russia bad. Look at pretty much any metric except land area, and you will see that Russia fucking sucks to live in.
Yes don't you?
former pm of italy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi
former pm of usa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
I would say saudi arabia it's worst
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_arms_deal
Hey bud, they didn't say Russia was the worst. They said it was one of the worst. Ask dam near anyone not in Russia or China or NK and they will agree Trump is a garbage human and a garbage leader. We know this. This isn't up for discussion. Russia has had a shit government for like its entire history.
Do I need to link the Wikipedia page for Putin or do you get my point anyways?
I'm not sure who I think is the worst but I would never want to live in either country but I'm not sure why you linked to some arms deal when Saudi Arabia has done way worse things than buying some weapons. I'm leaning towards Russia being the worst though.
Would you be fine with your country and its government selling weapons to putin? I don't know where you are from but there's a good chance your government sells weapon to saudi arabia or israel.
That's very possible but I don't see how that's relevant.