Oils are unhealthy? I’m…pretty sure that’s not true. Olive oil and coconut oil are both great for you. Other, more obscure oils are probably healthy as well.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oils are fats, of course that you should eat less oils than other stuff. Its not about the top be8ng unhealthy, it's about the amount you should consume compared to the bottom, you need to consume all of that.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean, sure. But fats aren’t unhealthy. Especially high quality, complex fats like you find in oils. The top is “processed foods,” meaning sweets and chips and shit. I just think it’s misleading to include the oils.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll repeat myself. It's not about the top being unhealthy, it's about the amount you should consume compared to the bottom and you clearly should consume less oil than veggies.

I live in Spain, I use exclusively high quality oil for everything really and I still use it in moderation. You sound like the people that like the bottom of their salad to be swimming in oil and vinegar, who then absorb it all with bread stating that the oil is healthy... Sure man, you just quadrupled the amount of calories on that salad but you do you...

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

lol I’m not trying to argue or anything, I was just making the point that including something with some nutritional value and health benefits in with something you’d be healthier having none of in your diet makes the info slightly unclear. It seems, to be at the top, it should either be alone, with processed foods not included at all, or have its own little tiny bar underneath that section.

Like, they make MCT and hemp and avocado oil supplements. You’re not ever gonna see ho-ho supplements. See my point?

[–] F04118F@feddit.nl 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes I thought the same. Except for coconut.

Coconut "oil" is a fat if you're using the regular definition of room temperature. It's solid at room temperature and has high saturated fat content (>90%), even worse than dairy (~60-70%). I know there are some other aspects to it that makes people enthusiastic but I don't think there is any solid evidence that those aspects compensate the huge amount of saturated fat.

You should get about 2x more unsaturated than saturated fats. So dairy, pork and coconut fat should not be a large part of the fat in your diet.

Indeed, olive oil, flaxseed oil, peanut oil, sesame oil and basically every oil except coconut has more unsaturated than saturated fat and will help you balance your fat types.

Source: am vegan and have family with inherited heart/cholesterol problems. I've been reading ingredients and nutritional values on all food packaging for a while now

[–] Fern@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm afraid oils are pretty dang unhealthy. See 1, 2, 3,, and more here.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

Your first link talks about butter and other saturated oils, then there's a link about coconut oil (also very saturated) and abdominal fat and then a link about frying food.

There is no mention of, for example, linseed oil (which you should not cook obviously but which is great in a dressing or on potatoes ) or rapeseed oil (which is also quite heat resistant and great for sauteing). Both are great sources of both energy and omega 3 fatty acids and help to move the prroportion of omega 6 to omega 3 to the right. I'm personally not a fan of the olive oil hype but the mono saturated fatty acids and polyphenols also tingle some people's shlingle.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

I'm not sure. But i guess the way my dad uses oils is not healthy

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 2 points 3 months ago

Everything in moderation

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 1 points 3 months ago

Everything in moderation

[–] The2b@lemmy.vg 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oils are high in calories and have next to zero micronutrients. They are refined macronutrients the same as sugar.

Health outcome data also shows better health for no-oil plant based diets, vs the same diets with as little as a quarter cup of olive oil a day.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

A quarter cup of olive oil a day is…a lot. More than most people ever consume. I get it, drinking cups of oil isn’t good. But the heart benefits of healthy oils (hemp, olive, coconut, avocado, etc), the benefits to cholesterol and blood pressure alone mean they shouldn’t be bundled with sweets and processed garbage foods. That’s my point.

Dont overindulge, but they have benefits. Lumping them in with completely unhealthy foods is super misleading, that’s my point. If you can eat no processed foods! Great. No sugar, no junk food? Great? But that’s not the case with healthy oils. There are benefits. Unlike the junk food they’re categorized with.

[–] The2b@lemmy.vg 1 points 3 months ago

A quarter cup of olive oil is 4 table spoons, or about 2 oz. My mom puts that on her salads in a vinegarette dressing. People fry onions in more than that. People definitely consume that much regularly.

"Drinking cups of olive oil isn't good" This isnt cups of olive oil. This is a few tablespoons.

Do you have any sources regarding any health benefits of olive oil vs no oils? Because i haven't seen any that support your notion that there are benefits to including oil vs not includong it. I'd agree that replacing other, less healthy fats with oils could be good, but in my experience, that's not what people do when they hear oil is healthy for you. Anecdotally, they just add more empty calories in oil to their diets, instead of replacing any.