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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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[–] maketotaldestr0i@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

given that Edo era Japan did not have biofuels

Wood is biofuel.

to summarize in a different way the arguments of the person you are debating with i would say just look around you, how much have we weaned from fossil fuels.

in 1993 the sum of nuclear and renewables in our global energy mix was 14%, 30 years later in 2023 it is 18.5%. our total energy usage is massively higher and fossil fuel use is massively higher over those 30 years.

Its too little too late scenario. Sure its technically possible we could replace FFs with renewables and nuclear but thats not where we are at yet or in the next 50 years at this pace. Now depending on what you think the depletion curve of FFs looks like will tell you if it will be possible or not. the data doesnt look good for a smooth transition. At best the scenario is a severe bottleneck unless we pull some unprecedented exponential changes in renewable and nuclear deployment.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Sure its technically possible we could replace FFs with renewables

That's the point that I'm arguing with the OP. He has claimed it isn't technically possible but refuses to give proof.