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Hello fellow Lemmings! the first version of the haiku-bot is out! anyone can add or remove it in any community by simply mentioning him and asking to subscribe:
!Haiku-bot SUBSCRIBE
when added to a community, it will read every comment (not posts currently) and if he detects the 5-7-5 syllable pattern typical of haikus will reply formatting it in a nice way! If it becomes too spammy you can remove it by just commenting:
!haiku-bot UNSUBSCRIBE
currently it can be subscribed and unsubscribed by anyone, but if this will result in a problem please let me know and I'll allow only mods to do this! any problem, bug, suggestion, insult, anything you wish is welcome!

hope you'll enjoy it!

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[–] picoblaanket@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1 - Yes - some bots are helpful, some (most) are annoying:

  • a Haiku bot falls into your "triggered by accident" category (any post that is 17 syllables).

  • a Haiku bot also does not add any new contextual information (it just duplicates a comment).

That's why I'm saying the haiku bot is junk.

2 - In this very post, when Otome said "I never liked the Haiku Bot"... OP responded "I’ve never liked them much either"...

so I'm asking OP: "why create a bot to spam lemmy with low-value duplicate content, if you don't even like that bot yourself?"

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

a Haiku bot falls into your “triggered by accident” category (any post that is 17 syllables).

Only if opt-out, as the original Haiku bot in the defunct site. OP however made it opt-in, so in order to trigger it you need two conditions - to actively subscribe to the bot and post a 17-syllables comment. The first one won't happen on accident.

a Haiku bot also does not add any new contextual information (it just duplicates a comment).

Arguably it highlights that the post has 17 syllables in a shape that is suitable to build a haiku with, but in general I agree with you. It is not the kind of bot that I personally would inscribe in my comms, nor that I'd use myself.

Even then, a few people like this sort of gimmick, so there's some subjective value for some people. (Certainly not for both of us.)

so I’m asking OP: “why create a bot to spam lemmy with low-value duplicate content, if you don’t even like that bot yourself?”

OP himself answered it - "I wanted to try something easy to learn bot development on lemmy and a few users were waiting for this and so here I am!"

It's a low-hanging fruit, and a few people wanted it.


EDIT: just to make my position clear, I think that a few restrictions on what a bot can/can't do would be great, specially if they come from the admins. IMHO a good bot should have the following requirements:

  1. Must be explicitly tagged as a bot, instead of a human being.
  2. Must perform a specific, well-defined function.
  3. Must only act once explicitly allowed by either the user or the moderators of a community, through a standard approach.
  4. Must have a short, succinct output, that doesn't force other users to scroll past a lot of junk.
  5. Should be non-prescriptive in nature; it shouldn't be telling you what to do.

Again, I wouldn't use this bot, but I think that it already fits all five requirements.

[–] picoblaanket@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“OP made it opt-in”

1 - It’s not opt-in "By User" though. It’s opt-in "By Community"...

So if one person turns it on, 1000’s of other people see it.

OP keeps saying “you can just toggle it off”... but I really can’t... when anyone can toggle it back on.

2 - Future options for toggling are not much better (bottom of the repo, To-Do section):

  • "if a moderator adds the haiku-bot, non-mod users cannot remove it"

  • only allow moderators to subscribe/unsubscribe

...so the toggle option wouldn’t apply to 99% of people anyway.


a few users were waiting for this (-OP)

Who was waiting for it? The top level replies in this thread are:

  • you, who wouldn’t use it
  • me, who doesn’t want it
  • Otome, who doesn’t like it

I think your bot rules are pretty solid though.

Overall, I just feel like... Lemmy is a fresh space...

a chance to make a new culture...

maybe it's best to leave that old bloated carcass behind.

[–] Alk@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Who was waiting for it?

I was :)