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[–] TemporalSoup@beehaw.org 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't remember who I heard say it, but someone said Mozilla should have built a privacy-first Google ecosystem alternative similar to what Proton are doing, which could have allowed them to actually make some money outside of their Google search bribe money.

But it's too late for that now I guess :(

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Interestingly, the most voted for new service by Proton users in the 2024 community survey was a privacy-focused web browser. I wonder if we will see Proton move into that space soon.

[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wait was it privacy or was it having an intrusive "ai" bullshit thing? I can't remember exactly Jokes aside, proton is not something we should look up to. Blender is a great example of a thing where various people contribute and somehow nobody needs to suck off facebook, the thing works and is getting better, usually listens to their community, there is no bullshit corporate structure and a ceo that needs his parachute gilded etc

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The private AI writing assistant is a feature recently announced for Proton Mail. A browser would be an entirely new service.

[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but we're talking trust here. Why should they do privacy if they already give your data to some llm thing?

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Did you even bother to read about how it works or did you just skip straight to the hysteria? Proton Scribe runs locally on the device and it does not use your inputs for training. No data is sent to the cloud or third-parties.

[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, the point is in having a for profit org and something like the blender foundation. It's about trust, not just the crappy llm thing, about the thing where they say everybody wants this

[–] TemporalSoup@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Proton do appear to be trying to resolve some of the issues that come with being a for-profit company?

Proton is transitioning towards a non-profit structure

[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 1 points 3 months ago

It's one of those things where you talk about them once they are done. I'm transitioning to quitting smoking

[–] LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unless you're using a non-Chromium browser, that is.

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 3 points 3 months ago

In which case it runs on no-log servers. Support is coming for other browsers and the Proton Mail desktop app is already supported on macOS. Of course, all of this ignores the even greater point that this is an entirely optional feature that no one has to use. Personally I will be ignoring it completely.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

you cannot be privacy focused while being a for profit corporation

[–] june@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 months ago

Good thing Proton is a nonprofit then 😊

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 3 points 3 months ago