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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 11 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Huh, some commenters raise a good question. What are the non-capitalist countries doing to fight climate change?

China is building out massive renewables and massive coal.

My list is short, please add to it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What are the non-capitalist countries doing to fight climate change?

https://electrek.co/2024/07/16/china-on-track-to-reach-clean-energy-targets-six-years-ahead-of-schedule/

Lots of solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear energy investment in the public sector. Huge investments in mass transit and electric engines. Conversion of old coal powered steel production to electric. Dense urban real estate department. Disposable waste reduction. Big efforts at tree planting along the Gobi Desert.

They've been very "all options on the table" about climate change. Some work. Some don't. But the progress is undeniable.

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Massive coal" was twenty years ago. India is "massive coal" now.

They have an electric car that costs $10,000.

They are quickly switching from Li batteries to Na, which will not require Ni or Co either.

They have a mixture of capitalism and central planning, so it's not entirely fair to call them "non-capitalist".

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not far in the past.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/china-responsible-for-95-of-new-coal-power-construction-in-2023-report-says/

In China, 47.4GW of coal power capacity came online in 2023, GEM says. This increase accounted for two-thirds of the global rise in operating coal power capacity, which climbed 2% to 2,130GW.

China’s 70.2GW of new construction getting underway in 2023 represents 19-times more than the rest of the world’s 3.7GW. As the figure below highlights, the country’s trajectory (red line) is diverging significantly from the rest of the world (orange line).

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I was considerably happier before I knew this. Hopefully coal prices will continue to increase, and they won't end up burning more coal even though their capacity has increased. From what I've read, it's mainly provincial governments trying to boost their economic statistics that are responsible for this building spree.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a capitalist country, but I think France is on the right track.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

They were never really on the wrong track, primarily because of their huge investment in nuclear power back in the 70s.

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We couldn't have non capitalist state with imperialism However, if we consider countries without state, we shall consider EZLN and the Democnatic Confederation in Rojava. Both have very interesting approach of eco-socialism.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago
[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

China is a capitalism country as everyone else.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Run by communists with a majority public sector and control of private enterprise? Hmm. Doesn't sound correct.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lack of common sense could make life harder sometimes ;)

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

"Common sense", aka you don't know shit about how to define capitalism or about the political economy of China and insist that your poorly developed ideas are self evident.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Told person who do not know the difference between authoritarian capitalistic dictatorship and commuism state. Go swallow your copium pills. EDIT: I just lurked into your account, this explains a LOT xD

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

You might want to read the article China Has Billionaires. The economic case for China being Socialist is not unfounded. Nobody believes China has reached full Socialization of the economy, but it is largely Socialized, and appears to be increasingly Socialized as compared to the Dengist period.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Told person who do not know the difference between authoritarian capitalistic dictatorship and commuism state.

Gonna throw out the word authoritarian because it is an empty signifier.

If China is a capitalist dictatorship why is the economy mostly publicly owned, with the percentage growing? Why does its government have a 95 percent approval rating according to a Harvard study, and why do innovations in participatory democracy emerge from China?

I just lurked into your account, this explains a LOT xD

Wow, what a vile little weirdo treating me being openly trans as some own.

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

TFW Tencent isn't considered capitalist

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Tencent existing as a private enterprise is compatible with the statement you are responding to.

[–] erev@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's state capitalism with a veneer of communism.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All capitalism requires a state, the fact that you call an alternate system "state capitalism" just goes to show that you need to do more research on what capitalism is.

[–] erev@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

According to DuckDuckGo

State Capitalism: An economic system that is primarily capitalistic but there is some degree of government ownership of the means of production.

Basically capitalism managed and owned by the state. This is not communism, nor even socialism. China is communist in name only.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Oh my god I didn't consider what the brilliant minds of a duck duck go- wait you didn't even cite where the definition is from?

Lol

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What are the non-capitalist countries doing to fight climate change?

Hunting and gathering, mostly. When the superpowers are capitalists, everyone is capitalist. Anyone who thinks China isn't capitalist hasn't bought anything off Amazon in the last decade.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Buddy capitalism is a specific production system not when you do trade

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism is basically when another private citizen or private company can take you on as a wage laborer.

If you can go get “a job” which is when you can put known work for known money consistently, and the one hiring you is someone other than the government, you’re in a capitalist place.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Capitalism requires state subservience to the market as well, which doesn't exist in China.

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Huh, there are worker coops and 100% ESOPs as alternatives to capitalism that can exist within capitalism @memes

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Literally every corporation is an alternative to capitalism existing writhing capitalism.

A corporation is a centralized command economy built in accordance with the credo “from each according to his capacity; to each according to his need”.

Capitalism exists at the scale of an economy. It does not exist within companies, except in the black market for office supplies in the places that don’t supply enough.

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Capitalism is a system of property relations and labor relations. It is conceivable to not have those property relations and labor relations in a firm. However, a corporation doesn't do that as the employer solely appropriates the entire positive and negative result of production i.e. the property rights to the produced outputs and liabilities for the used-up inputs. In a worker coop, the workers jointly appropriate the fruits of their labor. Capitalist property relations aren't present @memes