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By consenting to corruption and a path to WWIII. That is not protecting them, in fact it is ensuring them a terrible future. If you cared about them, you would vote, volunteer, donate, and support the PSL, CPUSA, or Green party instead.
Lmao the green party isn't going to do jack shit. They're completely unserious about politics. They aren't even trying to build up an infrastructure in all 50 states that lets them get suffused into local and state politics. They aren't even aiming for Congressional seats, which would be necessary for an actual Green president to get anything done.
They're just anti science grifters who think wifi causes cancer, entertain vaccine skepticism, and demonize nuclear energy -- the latter of which could be a major asset to stopping global warming. Newer designs are even able to consume nuclear waste, meaning an anti nuclear position results in more waste than we would otherwise.
I actually had my local Socialist Party USA chapter kick me out, ban me from their facebook, and publicly announce that I'm a rape apologist because I wouldn't tell people to support an openly transphobic "Vaccines Cause Autism" Green Party candidate over Joe Biden.
Then support the PSL. I work with the Green party to improve it, because that's how democracy works. It's okay you don't understand that.
I'm afraid all of us don't have that much free time. But hey, if you can get them to stop being anti science and actually become a serious party, I'll consider them.
Just don't expect me to accept the Green Party's many imperfections. If you don't accept the Democrat's imperfections, then you should perfectly understand.
Send them an email and discuss your issues. They are the only voice in politics that supports the science of climate change.
Democrats don't have imperfections, they are fundamentally flawed because they are corrupt.
Until Stein vehemently recants her remarks about WiFi causing cancer, vaccine skepticism, and nuclear fear mongering -- or the Green party completely disavows her and those remarks -- it would be a total waste of time.
It isn't my job as an engineer to tell "the only voice in politics that supports the science of climate change" to stop endorsing completely anti science positions. Nor is it on me to try and correct a willfully anti science party. They need to show good faith, and they've done nothing whatsoever to suggest any of that to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2suVx9cDKw She is the one with a medical degree, so you don't have any authority over her opinion, sounds reasonable for her to make her stance out of concern, even if she is wrong.
I'm also an engineer, and that's why I use my knowledge to try to influence the party.
None of those parties have a ghost of a chance of winning, and with as razor thin as the win margins were in 2016 and 2020, I'm not confident Biden will win if we don't vote for him. I sincerely hope I do not have to explain why Trump would be worse on literally every issue (especially Gaza) than Biden is.
Then do something about it instead of complain. I am, what are you doing? You vote for corruption.
Bro's protest voting when the ~~Weimar~~ American Republic has Nazis on the ballot and thinks building "grassroots support" for the twentieth year in a row justifies it when the world is about to run out of time anyways
You want Green candidates? Tell them to run as Democrats or make a fucking militia.
Dems are actually fascists, and you are as well for not only voting for them, but gathering support for them online when you could be doing that for a decent party.
Yes, yes, we all know what happens when you scratch a liberal but it's better than not having to scratch to find it. Even if all that's holding the powers that be back is a skin-deep veneer of civility and deniability a vote to strip that veneer away makes you a fool, not a revolutionary.
There's no need to scratch. They openly support the genocide of children.
The real fool is the one that puts no effort into change.
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Imagine watching that debate and saying someone is a clown for not voting for them.
The Democrat party is just as corrupt and bought out by corporations as the Republicans are, but at least they aren't trying to get the country to circle the drain as quickly.
The past 4 years prove you wrong on that.
Did they? We got back in the Paris climate accords, gay marriage got codified into an actual law, student loan forgiveness started rolling out, clamping down on junk fees and overdraft fees...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administration-approves-controversial-alaska-oil-drilling-projec-rcna74679
He lied about student loan forgiveness.
He has us barreling towards WWIII and has destroyed our reputation on a global scale with our support of genocide in Palestine.
I got a question for you though. Same one you were asked two replies ago.
Do you think that the Republicans are better?
I think the Green party is better, that's why I vote for it. Google "democracy" and find out why!
Let me put it this way.
Right now, no one knows your chosen third-party candidate exists. Let's suppose you, personally, set out to change that. Let's suppose you're the best campaign manager ever, and that you and your friends lead the best grassroots campaign in history, so much so that come November you've convinced everyone who would have voted third party and two-thirds of the people who would have voted for Biden to vote for your candidate instead.
Let's suppose that, had you done nothing, the vote breakdown will be the same in 2024 as it was in 2020. Biden got 51.3% of the popular vote, Trump got 46.8%, and that leaves just under 2% who voted third party. In 2024, thanks to your heroic efforts, the green party candidate gets 36.2% of the vote and Biden gets 17.1%, but oh no -- Trump wins by a landslide because Trump supporters, who care not for your left-of-center politics, stuck by their guy and gave him 46% of the vote again, and in first-past-the-post voting, that's all that matters! Your heroic efforts to get your message out about your better candidate only resulted in splitting the vote and ensuring Trump would win!
This would be the greatest accomplishment for the working class in American history if it happened. The Greens would then start to win congressional seats, and being the process of taking over the government like the Morena party just did in Mexico.
It's also completely impossible. A campaign that could convince two thirds of Biden voters to switch would shatter every record for a grassroots campaign (heck, even a corporate backed campaign) that had ever been set, by orders of magnitude. You are not going to convince a statistically significant number of people to switch their vote, especially not between now and November.
I also feel like you're missing the part where even if you DID accomplish that, Trump would still win the presidency! If you vote third party you might as well not vote!
Especially given how slim the win margins were in 2020 and 2016, I'm not convinced that Biden will win if we don't all vote for him. I hate the DNC as much as anyone else does, but if you don't want a person who openly plans to abuse his Presidential powers to punish his opponents for daring to prosecute him for a crime he committed, you only have one choice.
You're the one that made this ridiculous argument in the first place. I am expressing democracy by supporting and growing the party I agree with the most.
I came up with a ridiculous, hyperbolic example that would still result in a victory for Trump to demonstrate that no amount of effort from third party voters would sway the election, even if they could all agree on who the best third party candidate was. Apparently hardcore leftists are so dense you thought I was saying it could actually happen.
But thank you for your honesty. Please, support your third party candidate. I'd love to see them grow, truly. But I sincerely hope you don't think they actually have a chance, not while the people who operate the DNC are breathing.
You're the reason Trump is winning, because you refused to criticize Biden and the Dems, and not grow another party as an option.
I do criticize Biden. I have also written three paragraphs in this thread already about why a third party winning the presidency is impossible, and thus voting for Biden is necessary to prevent Trump taking office. Good to see leftists are just as incapable of defending their positions as always.
Voting third party is great at the local level. Voting third party at the national level when they don't already have a hold anywhere else does not even grow the party. It just wastes your vote.
I do tire of conversing with trolls.
No, you don't you are openly trying to gather support for his geriatric ass.
Voting third party is the only reasonable option.
Goodbye, troll.
Not trolling, just the one who understands democracy.
Which is it, do you not understand FPTP voting, do you think that voting for a third party candiate at the presidential level will convince anyone who is not already a member of the green party to switch, or are you really this dense?
We could have an entirely separate conversation about why the Green Party in specific sucks, not least because the candidate they put forward thinks vaccines cause autism, but if you can't be convinced that voting third party doesn't do anything I don't want to talk to you anymore at all.
If your next response is less than three sentences long I'm going to block you.
You don't understand FPTP voting. It's a common system, you can read about it and see many countries have parties that rise and fall in power, it's not limited to 2 parties, you are simply a victim of propaganda.
I will leave you with this explanation and a block.
Because you can't accept you are wrong. That's why you block.
This is something I would say as a joke to make fun of a strawman version of you
Joe's crime bill is absolutely fascist.
Nobody likes voting for the lesser of two evils, but we all have to if we want to stop an even further decline into hell. Our system is broken, and we don't have any way of fixing it immediately, so we have to work with what we can. Trump as president will have immediate and direct consequences for many people, and it will be the fault of people like you that it happened. At this point, not voting for Biden is the same thing as voting for Trump. You may continue virtue signaling after we get through the crisis right in front of us.
You're not voting for the lesser of two evils, you are voting for corruption and evil while doing absolutely nothing about it.
The system is set up in a way that the only viable options are between two evils, unfortunately. Under a FPTP system where the only good options are minority parties that won't win a single seat in their districts, you're left with the choice of voting for the lesser evil, or voting for your morals but increasing the risk of the greater evil winning.
It's a no-win situation.
No, you can vote for whoever you want. You all on here are too lazy to gather support for another party.
You’re voting for no one, giving more of a chance for the greater of two evils and still doing nothing. Where your fucking guillotine?
I'm voting for Jill Stein. And I got one out back.