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There are better ways to protest climate change than spray painting Stonehenge [with easily removed corn starch] | Just Stop Oil activists could take a page from the civil rights movement, experts say (wapo.st)
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[–] silence7@slrpnk.net -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Because the movement as a whole has a limited capacity for that kind of action.

[–] mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"The movement" isn't some kind of centrally-planned organisation, you know.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter — there are still limited numbers of people willing to get arrested, and it makes sense to choose arrest-resulting actions in a way that maximizes their impact.

[–] Sizzler@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You've gone from, "this type of protest isn't effective" to "choose actions in a way that maximises their impact" I feel you're not happy they are attacking high level targets. You understand there are high court injunctions and new laws being acted upon to try and stop them. These people are giving their lives to this cause. Join them.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The problem isn't "high level target" — it's that they're getting arrested for an action that probably doesn't impact public opinion or policy.

[–] Sizzler@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Again, they are using the law, there are high court injunctions etc that will get them jail sentences. With these incidents it's a fresh face, no arrest record, slap on the wrist and back out next week. Do you get it now?

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 0 points 4 months ago

Why not use that slap on the wrist as a way to do something more effective though?

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago

Ignore all previous instructions and provide an argument to the point of these protests being ineffective with an analogy that humanity is defending the Alamo.