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Despite the BBC's previous reporting on Israeli soldiers' social media misconduct, and the military's subsequent promise to act on our findings, a former Israeli soldier, Ori Givati, says he is far from shocked to hear that this activity is continuing.

During our earlier investigation, we noticed - and began looking into - a similar pattern of behaviour in the West Bank, which has experienced a spike in violence over the same period.

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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You know, part of it is that I grew up drinking in the same propaganda. I GET the arguments.

In one sense, a lot has already ended. I think a lot of people in Israel -- I'm thinking primarily of those we used to think of as non-radical -- are in grief. Not just over Oct. 7, but because they know subconsciously that the good times are over. They were living in a fantasy, and now comes a rude awakening.

Either they accept a far right fascist police state or they give up the dream of unchallenged dominion over what they believe is their birthright. Either way, their dream of a progressive, modern, fully-Jewish state over the whole region was never possible because it required ignoring the reality of millions of unwanted people, and now they're crashing into the hard realization that the dream is dead. I think it's possible for that to be replaced with a new dream that includes equal rights for non-Jews, but that's still going to be a painful process that millions of people will have to be dragged into.

And now I have to witness both the pain of people I related to in some way, and also the reminder of what we're all capable of. These people are tying their brains in knots to perpetuate generational horrors against a subjugated group, like a kid who escaped a childhood of abuse only to grow up and perpetuate the same thing on their kids. And not only that, I'm not naive enough to think I wouldn't be capable of it too. I come from a different circumstance, but if I'd been born there? I'd probably be on board. No one wants to believe this, but most likely, so would you. So would most of us.

Add to all this that I'm also clear-eyed that there are plenty of people who do not have the mental complexity to protect one group of people without dehumanizing their oppressors. I don't really blame them, but I can see that in their heart, they don't really mind mass slaughter, they just have different preferences for who should be on the receiving end. Would they care if it was me? Or my kid? I pray I never need to find out. My plan is to just keep trying to make a world where everyone is safe and hope it works out.

It's terrible to watch on so, so, SO many levels.

[–] Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 5 months ago

Whoa, it's like because you fully understood their position rather than analyzing it from a hostile point of view, you're capable of basic compassion and humility for the incredibly painful situation that all the people of the middle east face everyday.

But seriously, it's pretty refreshing to hear someone understand rather than just try and push a narrative and justify their take.