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Thousands of Israelis take to streets of Tel Aviv to demand cease-fire and Netanyahu's resignation (apnews.com)

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1:21 video shows the scale of the protest.

Shulamit Ron, Demonstrator: "We hope the world hears us: the people of Israel are not the government of Israel. We don't agree with the policy; we don't agree with the way they behave; and we want to have a different future."

Roi Tzohar, Demonstrator: "The Israeli people are hostages to their right-wing government. The people of Gaza are hostages to Hamas. And, basically, there has to be a way to overcome that and to stop the fighting and the killing. This [demonstration?] is to give everybody hope."

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 40 points 6 months ago (2 children)

All of you antisemites should be ashamed of yourselves! I'm Jewish, so I can say it though.

Fuck Netanyahu and fuck this genocidal war

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Your comment just seems like a good one to add this to. It is not any form of commentary on you or you comment

So the word Semite refers to pretty much everyone who lived in the now middle east. It is a pretty old and mostly outdated word. That was surprising enough created by some white Europeans, who were busy categorizing the world from their safe office of their learned institutions.

Here is a map of the languages that are considered semitic as a rough idea the people that could fall under this term

Obviously antisemitism is used to refer to Jewish people, though it is really being used incorrectly. It should be used in a way that someone hates both Jew and Arabs, and a few other groups too.

Anyway you all have a little bit of useless knowledge.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Your knowledge might be incorrect, I believed that before too but it seems to have never been used like that, it has always been against the Jews. Word usage is sometimes not aligned with etymology.

Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who incorrectly assert that it refers to racist hatred directed at "Semitic people" in spite of the fact that this grouping is an obsolete historical race concept. Likewise, such usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a "scientific-sounding term" for Judenhass (lit. 'Jew-hatred'),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.[18][23][24]

Bottom of the introduction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I never said it had been used like that, just if the term was not being used properly when you considered the meaning of the root word.

[–] oce@jlai.lu -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You said:

antisemitism is used to refer to Jewish people, though it is really being used incorrectly.

The present meaning as well as the original meaning when it was coined was referring to Jewish people, even if it doesn't align with its etymology. So using it to name hate against Jewish people is correct.

That also implies that using antisemitism to name hate against Arabic would be incorrect. Though you may try to redefine the term, write a couple of articles and books and maybe in 50 years it will be considered correct usage.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Okay if you are going to quote me please quote it fully.

Obviously antisemitism is used to refer to Jewish people,

Also if you had read further down the Wikipedia article you would have seen this paragraph

The origin of "antisemitic" terminologies is found in the responses of Moritz Steinschneider to the views of Ernest Renan. As Alex Bein writes: "The compound anti-Semitism appears to have been used first by Steinschneider, who challenged Renan on account of his 'anti-Semitic prejudices' [i.e., his derogation of the "Semites" as a race]."[27] Avner Falk similarly writes: "The German word antisemitisch was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816–1907) in the phrase antisemitische Vorurteile (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan's false ideas about how 'Semitic races' were inferior to 'Aryan races'".

So there is some historical use where it refers to more than just Jewish people.

Oh and I looked up this Ernest Renan. He was a very hateful guy. He definitely hated Jewish people, though he pretty much hated everyone that wasn't white and Christian. He probably had mixed feelings about anyone who wasn't French too.

Look I have no agenda here. I am not trying to diminish real racism. I just find it interesting that a word has changed the common understanding of its root word.

I also find it interesting that both the Arabic and Hebrew greetings. Have the same root word, sound very similar, and both translate to peace. It just doesn't feel relevant to my original comment.

Edit forgot the word greetings

[–] oce@jlai.lu 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think you have any agenda. I think nothing else that what I wrote, especially because I used to think like what you wrote before, so I wanted to help you and other readers with more information. I quoted what is the most obviously incorrect in your comment. The information you added now doesn't change the fact that this quote is incorrect.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well you are entitled to your opinion. I do find it pretty bold of you though to assume you know how I think.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 6 months ago

I don't assume anything about you, I'm strictly answering to your comment and nothing else. Considering the multiple sources backing up the claim in the Wikipedia article, I don't think it's just my opinion.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

😢 I'm a failure of a racist

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm Jewish, so I can say it though?

Do you think pointing out a genocide is like the N word or something?

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think they were being sarcastic, playing with the criticizing Israel's government = antisemitism nonsense

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ah ok, you know it's hard to catch sarcasm when the internet is full of crazy people. That's why /s exists. Specially hard when this is an actual card played by pro-israel jews.