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[–] sunbunman@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Aight time to try and learn Linux for the 10th time and see if someone without strong console knowledge can use one now.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you just want to browse the web and edit work documents you have nothing to fear.

If you just want a game and don't want to be too awfully picky about what you're playing you have nothing to fear

If you want to play anti-cheap games and host docker components you're going to have to do a little console here and there.

If you want to stream to YouTube and twitch, You're probably not going to have as much of a good time. You can still do it but there's work and compromises involved.

[–] stirner@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Streaming is practically plug-and-play, at least on my installs.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

OBS background removal in Linux is bad.

In about half a dozen distros VFL does not work out of the box for OBS.

If you flat pack your OBS and don't do it exactly right with all the plugins at once, the plugin sandbox causes issues in OBS.

If you're running an OBS bot camera things get extra spicy.

In most cases high color support is not allowed.

If you're trying to do stream Deck stuff that can be an issue.

Don't get me wrong I'm glad it wasn't a big deal for you but for your average person coming in complaining that terminals are too much, they might be in for a less than stellar experience.

[–] sunbunman@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Cheers, I'll give it a go. Unfortunately I'll have to navigate my way through the Denuvo BS that Capcom loves shoving down our throats.

On the plus side I've been using the libreoffice suite and frankly speaking it's more or less comparable to what Windows offers for my needs. Their excel equivalent feels really jank though.

[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've been using it for a few months now and only rarely I used console and it was just to paste some commands for something. So yeah, I don't think that you really need to know howbto use console if you don't need to do anything that specifically needs it.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Rarely is still too much for me.
If I do regular joe stuff, I don't want to be required to go into the terminal.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You shouldn't have to.

I live near exclusively in the console because it's my work and I love it, it's WAY more efficient than the GUI, but last time I actually NEEDED the console? I can't remember, honestly.

Also are you trying to say you never needed to figure something out on windows? Granted, I don't read much about it because fuck Windows, but I remember windows Registry headaches, is that still a thing? Just copy paste these base64 codes in the registry in these UUID keys, which literally would be impossible to learn, and it will fix it, super easy!

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

At least not for the regular joe stuff I do.
Obviously I tinker with my install and am not shy about reverting to a backup if I know it will be highly intrusive.
For the not so regular joe stuff close to the pro-sumer region you probably will have to research just about anything if you want to achieve something.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You have to learn a little for any task, so people saying that they don't want to learn something is a bit weird.

Linux really isn't more complicated than windows. Actually, after 25 years of Linux desktop, looking at windows it's frustrating complication after complication.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

I am not desinterested to learn.
It just doesnt make sense to always have a need to enter the CLI for stuff regular users want to do.
Let the power toys be under the hood, no problem with that. But the regular folks don't even grasp the idea to find out how to change the IP of their regular windows PC for something they want.

Linux is currently developed by tech enthusiasts for mostly tech enthusiasts. Who tells the (by the way awesome) maintainers to stop and think what they develop in that particular way?
Even a group of maintainers might fall into the trap to develop something in such a way that it overwhelms the regular user.

IMO what it needs is resiliency against those users and more aim to make it idiot proof (for them) and make it more an actual daily driver that first has a GUI for the most common tools and then the CLI if needed

looking at windows it's frustrating complication after complication.

Tell that a Windows admin and that admin might say the same about you and your OS.
In the end, everyones wants it their way.

[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I had to often look up how to do stuff on windows because of it's trash UX so it's an absolute W for me. But I can understand that terminal may look too scary/complicated to some ppl.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Oh Windows is certainly not exempt from the issue. Not at all.

Personally I don't have any issue with the terminal but sometimes I am totally not in the mood to research yet another time why or how to run anything.
Also I prefer Word way too much over Libre/OpenOffice.
Only if they had a word-like theme and translation to achieve what I want in a word-like behaviour it could tempt me to switch the tools.

[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ye, seems fair. In my case I just couldn't bear with windows anymore and switched.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Maybe maybe for me.
For now I am content with Linux debian as my NAS/server OS and Windows as the user OS.

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 1 points 7 months ago

It is called onlyoffice