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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Like, we all get it. The US is complicit in the genocide in Gaza. I don’t even think a pro-Palestinian president could change that. There is an entire massively powerful infrastructure that, for some fuckin reason, kowtows to Israel—while Israel drags everything that touches it down.

But for those of you that are saying, “fuck Biden, he’s gonna lose [to a more brutal pro-Israel piece of shit]” like…what are you trying to accomplish? What is your point? To say, “I’m not voting for him, so you shouldn’t either?” To what end? Your own sense of “purity?”

We are all horrified by what’s happening to the people of Gaza. But pushing for an even worse case scenario…doesn’t help the people of Gaza. It literally only helps, well, the people who get to hold up the “I’m above it” card, and Israel.

Biden is receiving growing pressure to change course. And he’s far more likely to actually do that than trump would be. In fact, he’d be more impulsive to the calls to be worse. Because the democrats give a shit about the US being seen as they pretend to see it in their minds. Republicans…don’t. And they way they see it in their minds is fucked up. Democrats lie to themselves, yeah, but republicans know exactly what they want, and it’s fuckin dark.

So again, my point in writing all of this: where is the understanding of the nuance of this situation? What is your ideal realistic outcome? Because under a trump presidency, all of our focus would be off Gaza and would instead be refocused back home, where we get all wrapped up in being outraged over every insane decision trump makes that affects our own politics. That can’t be what you want, is it?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

All it requires is for one single man, Joe Biden, to change his mind and stop supporting Zionist Israel.

Instead there's this whole idea that Joe Biden doesn't have to change what he is doing and instead it should be millions of Americans swallowing their humanity and voting for a guy who supports Genocide.

That shit is basically Putin's Russia with extra steps.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That shit is basically Putin’s Russia with extra steps.

Ignore the fact that 2 wartime economies are using the poor Ukrainians as bait while sending pennies on the dollar compared to what they send Israel

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Way to miss the point that American "democracy" is stage managed and hence why american leaders, quite independently of the party they hail from, are way more dictatorial than they would be if the vote was a true choice.

Whatever his reasons for supporting the Israeli Genocide, doing if for the good of at least a large portion of Americans ain't why Joe Biden is doing it, as even amongst the Jewish-American community - which is but a small fraction of the electorate - there are plenty of voice against the Israeli Genocide and for the rest, what exactly is there to gain for the average American in their country becoming associated with what is well on its way to becoming the XXI Century Holocaust?!

Unsurprisingly the copium amongst many in the US about Biden not giving a rat's arse about most of those who vote for him, is painfully similar to how Russians tell themselves that at least Putin is not as bad as things could've been.

Mind you, it's a lot easier from outside the US and without having grown up with a set of political blinders, to spot the Stockholm Syndrome affecting most of the US electorate.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 7 months ago

Your "them vs us" mentality clouds your judgement to the fucking millions of people who don't want either candidate

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There is an entire massively powerful infrastructure that, for some fuckin reason, kowtows to Israel

I mean it's gotta be the fact that there are so many more Jews in America than Muslims, right? If that's even the case, I don't even know. But if that's the case (which is my guess), that's gotta be the reason, in my mind. The President will represent the majority for popularity, is what I'm thinking.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

More like supporting the status quo power structure, but yes

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What? I'm not American so I would need a little more detail.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not a population equation. It's who has the money controls the power.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

That sounds right, yeah. 👍

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm just telling you he loses, your implication is that I would want what YOU perceive as the only other option lol.

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The primaries are over. You're too late to be making this point. You either fight like hell for a second Biden term, or you're going to get a second Trump term.

I don't like Biden. I think that despite passing some much needed domestic policies, he's a mediocre president. But everything will get worse if Trump wins again. Being anti-Biden at this point in the game is just carrying water for fascists.

Literally the most you can do electorally that doesn't count as sabotage is to vote third party to make a point in a state that has no risk of swinging right. Outside of that, if you actually care about stopping this genocide, you should focus on things other than whether Biden is the right person for this moment, because while he might not be, he's definitely not worse than Trump.

Under Biden, the IDF might lose a lot of funding. Under Trump, the IDF will be dipping their bullets in pork blood.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

DNC is a private org, so no it's not too late to pick somebody w/ some semblance of winning.

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

Fair enough. Please explain the efforts you are taking to influence the DNC to do this, and I'll happily join you.

[–] zerog_bandit@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago

This is exactly what Putin wanted when he funded Iran's proxy attack on Israel.