The guys trying to stop a genocide are the good guys. I do have some criticisms of them, but any actions that decrease the ability to carry out genocide is a net positive.

[–] TheLorax@sh.itjust.works -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is your point that the outcome justifies the means? I feel the need to point out that this statement is dangerous, and statements like it have been used to justify evil acts.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You know what else is dangerous? Giving a genocidal state more weapons.

What the fuck?

[–] TheLorax@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nowhere in my statement did I defend giving Israel weapons, this is a position I am strongly against.

My point in writing that comment was to point out that using fascist rhetoric is bad, no matter who is saying it. I support the Palestinians, but I would not support dropping nukes on Israel. Stating that any means would be justified gives the other side ammunition to attack you (and others with similar views as you) with.

"Any means" is the same reasoning the USA used when nuking Japan. And it's the same reasoning that is currently being used to kill innocent civilians in the Gaza strip.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

using fascist rhetoric is bad

There's no fascist rhetoric, we're all capable of understanding context.

I support the Palestinians

What is your support of the Palestinians worth?

You are justifying actions against the people who are making a material impact at stopping a genocide. Even though those actions largely consist of bombing yemeni civilians, and wouldn't be justified anyway as they're being performed in service of a genocide.

[–] TheLorax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Once again you have prescribed a position to me that I do not have. I haven't defended the actions of either the US or Israel, merely pointed out that YOU are using bad arguments.

What is your support of the Palestinians worth?

I have donated a small amount (I still need to pay rent) to the Palestinian relief fund. Is my contribution not valid because the value is only $200? Is that really what we are dogging on people for now?

I have not defended the US bombings in Yemen, and have personally participated in two protests of these attacks (One at my state capital and one at my local university.)

I need you to understand that people will look at statements like "the ends justify the means" as justification to keep killing Palestinians. You are actively making my job as a progressive harder by saying things like this.

I'm honestly not sure if you aren't looking at names or if you are just arguing in bad faith here. The original comment I responded to was a response to an even worse take that was not made by me. Stop prescribing people positions that they don't have, have not stated, and have actively been against.

I'm not against the Palestinians or Yemeni population, I am against rhetoric that can be used to justify genocides. You can support these groups just as well by saying things other than "any action against Israel is justified"

An ethnic cleansing of the Israeli population would reduce their capability of genocide, but is still an evil that I could not support.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Apologies, I didn't notice that you weren't the original guy responded to, who was condemning the Houthi's actions.

In the context of the US, condemning the Houthi's anti-genocide actions is equivalent to supporting the genocide, in the same way that Americans and Israelis criticizing LGBT rights within Palestine or Iran or Russia; while the criticism may be valid within a vacuum, in the context of America, those criticisms only serve to justify imperialism.