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Because those grants are usually in fields where the demographics are skewed male and they want more women in that workforce. That's motivated by owners who want to lower labour cost, not because anyone's targeting men.
Pretty sure men and women get scholarships to play every sport in college? And I'm pretty sure there's a lot more males getting those scholarships than women, football teams are pretty large.
That's just because women are better communicators than men. They seek help when it's less severe and are more likely to respond to treatment. Most men who seek help before suicide so it as a last resort, and America has really shitty healthcare. Again, not targeting men.
Well, shame on whoever told you that and I'm glad you sought help yourself. However, that's mostly something we men are doing to themselves. We can't blame anyone else for that, nor can anyone else but us fix it.
Because of other men....... Have you tried having a platonic friendship with a woman or maybe better quality not man, they don't tend to think less of you because you talk about your feelings. I talk to my friends about my feelings all the time, no one thinks of me as a lesser man.
Because we don't communicate our feelings as well or as often as a whole. We also tend to be less squimish about our method of suicide, when women tend to think of the aftermath more.
It used to be a common belief in family court that mothers were more important to child development than men. This was assumed to be true as men traditionally were away at work more often and children required a stay at home mother.
This wasn't targeting men, it was implemented by men who believed in the idea of the atomic family.
Who is making that discretion? The vast majority of police officers are men, they have the discretion to determine who gets arrested.
By who? And do those people think being a lesbian or bi is okay?
I mean just legally and economically....
You think that's not happening to women?
Most men are not dealing with that kind of isolation, and I don't think you have hung out with enough women to make that determination.
It's easy to get stuck in an echo chamber because of how connected we all are, try different groups.
And those grants are for what?
Lol, okay so men have more access, but you're mad they don't have exclusive access?
And the consequences of that is........men not communicating.
Sounds like you just have shitty friends.
Well, you were the one who said you were completely alone and isolated and only relied on the comfort of your cats for companionship. Now you say you have a bunch of gal pals, but they call you snowflake when you tell them you in counseling?
Lol, why? I have great talks about mental health with my homies all the time. I'm a happily married man, with a wife who cares about how I feel just as I care about how she feels.
FEMALE! It's a dead giveaway my friend. Also the whole grant and suicide thing is a pretty popular trope in those circles, despite being pretty easy to explain if you actually did a little research.
There is no uniform mindset for men or women. If you spend all your effort caring about what people think of you, or worrying if you're being manly enough, you're never going to find the time to actually find someone or something that makes you happy.
Alternatively who's fault is it? Are women responsible for our mental health? Who else can be responsible for your mental health other than yourself?
This is a gish gallop and nobody should take such a thing seriously.
A gish gallop, easily googled, is when someone makes a large number of arguments regardless of quality instead of quality arguments.
Other approaches to debate you should get familiar with are ad hominem and strawman, I won't answer your questions about those though because, like the gish gallop, they are easily googled.
You didn't make objective arguments, you made ten assertions in the form of questions, without sources or papers or support, and then attacked me personally with a story you made up on the spot with absolutely no true knowledge of me or my background.
You have no credibility, and nobody should listen to you, and certainly nobody should waste time cataloging, researching, sourcing and then articulating a response to that gish gallop.
Ah yes, classic gish gallop. You make 10 claims with no support and everyone else needs to do the legwork.
Yet I present you with a single term, gish gallop, and you ask me for the definition. Curious this double standard. Further demonstration that you are an unserious person making an unserious argument.
You're picking fights, more or less.
Now, let me pick one of your points to counter and at the same time demonstrate why the gish gallop makes you unserious.
A serious person would, for example, not just ask why men have a 3x higher suicide rate, but would at least cover the gender paradox and therefore recognize that young women have higher rates of suicidal ideation and attempt suicide more often than men of the same age. Women overall attempt suicide 2 to 4x more often but have a lower completion rate. Gender discrepancies in suicide completion come down to myriad factors including the tool used and strength differences, not typically found to be due to men getting a bad deal from society though, or whatever point you wanted to make.
So here's the thing, you get to make that 3x claim devoid of meaningful sources and context (and I will reply in turn ala Hitchens Razer) , and in a single sentence tucked in the middle of a pile of other claims. Me, on the other hand, have to write a whole paragraph to dispute it. Now imagine how long and involved a reply to the full gish gallop is. It will, in fact, be longer to address each and every talking point you make than it was for you to write it. Worse, you push the burden of finding evidence for your claims off onto others. Worse still, as you've already demonstrated, being called out leads you to ad hominem and strawman arguments.
You aren't serious and nobody should feel obligated to reply to you as if you are.