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Germany Looks to Stop the Far Right From Assuming Power (www.nytimes.com)

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

Is fascism just a tone of voice to you?

[-] Luxemburgist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

I mean there certainly is a tone to fascism. That and mass murdering your political dissidents

[-] axont@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

"So, you compare a country from what it came from, with all it’s imperfections. And those who demand instant perfection the day after the revolution, they go up and say “Are there civil liberties for the fascists? Are they gonna be allowed their newspapers and their radio programs, are they gonna be able to keep all their farms? The passion that some of our liberals feel, the day after the revolution, the passion and concern they feel for the fascists, the civil rights and civil liberties of those fascists who are dumping and destroying and murdering people before. Now the revolution has gotta be perfect, it’s gotta be flawless. Well that isn’t my criteria, my criteria is what happens to those people who couldn’t read? What happens to those babies that couldn’t eat, that died of hunger? And that’s why I support revolution. The revolution that feeds the children gets my support. "

Michael Parenti, 1986, “US Interventionism, the 3rd world, and the USSR,"

Yeah I just don't care about right-wingers and their precious civil rights. They're a fungus growing on the world from decaying capitalism. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever and don't regard them as valid political opponents. They're a death spiral menace to the world with nothing meaningful to contribute

[-] Luxemburgist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

I get the feeling a large majority of the world's population are reactionary fascists by one standard or another to you.

Also, I'm not even necessarily against the idea of censoring Republicans, but KILLING them?

[-] axont@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The majority of the world aren't people actively involved in organizing and maintaining fascist organizations, right? If that's the case I don't give a shit about them. Keep those types powerless and isolated, remove the material conditions that give rise to fascist tendencies in the first place.

Why not kill Republicans by the way? Bush Jr. killed a million Iraqis. Trump mediated a genocide against Yemen. Mitch McConnell is already a walking zombie. What is gained from keeping them alive? I'm not talking about killing Republican voters or someone who has a bumper sticker. That's too much work to bother with. I'm talking about Republicans directly managing American empire for the benefit of capital. The average right wing voter is just some loser who deserves re-education.

[-] Luxemburgist@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

I think Trump should be imprisoned, not KILLED. Why are you so lustful for blood and guts? Good lord

[-] axont@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

because I can consider what exactly one Yemeni mother with dead kids thinks about Trump.

[-] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 6 months ago

Somehow I doubt that the millions of us in the lower classes who suffered from his régime would be that restrained.

In any case, it isn’t a question of one individual’s prescription. It is more a question of historic inevitability and necessity. I can’t say anything for sure, but should the lower classes directly confront Donald Trump and Mike Pence one day, I have a feeling that we’ll be just as forgiving as lower‐class Italians were of Benito Mussolini. Only a guess, though.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

I don't think it's especially productive to kill people when imprisoning them is easy, as it would be with the resources in America, but I don't see why you are clutching your pearls this hard at a butcher of countless thousands being killed.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

Which according to you is bad, but using force to stop it is equally as bad. Liberalism, everybody

[-] Luxemburgist@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago

When have Republicans mass murdered their political dissidents? Another tool of fascists: extreme hyperbole.

If you think they're so dangerous to society, VOTE THEM OUT, reshape the system, hell the bar them from office! Massacring them just makes YOU the fascist

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

When have Republicans mass murdered their political dissidents?

Every war America has ever involved itself in, plus an absurd amount of massacred and lynched prisoners, civil rights activists and random black and indigenous people, plus every victim of America's fascist puppet governments abroad, plus everyone who starves to death in capitalist countries where food is locked up to rot, plus everyone who dies of covid due to our non-response, ect. We would literally be here all day if I wanted to list out everyone the American capitalist oligarchy and it's decorative "parties" has slaughtered on the altar of capital.

If you think they're so dangerous to society, VOTE THEM OUT, reshape the system

michael-laugh Oh, is it the most important election of our lifetime again already? vote

Massacring them just makes YOU the fascist

Lol, there's no shame in admitting you don't know what fascism is dude. It's not transmissible like Lycanthropy, and it's not When Violence. Also, how the fuck do you think the nazis were stopped. You think they were voted out?

Although if massacring nondescript "dissenters" is what makes a government fascist, I'm glad we at least share the correct opinion that the US is fascist.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

VOTE THEM OUT

Can I persuade you to actually read Luxemburg, instead of just embodying the West German co-opting of her? Specifically, I'm thinking of Sozialreform oder Revolution?