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[โ€“] beardown@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe a country built on genocide and slavery is a bad idea that can't ever be fixed.

Agreed, but replacing the United States with a new state, one created with a Constitution 2.0 so to speak, would likely be sufficient if executed properly.

Fundamentally though, we need to remove the current ownership class from power and instead place power within the working class. Oligarchs cannot exist if a society is to be free from fascism

[โ€“] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

When the Romans and later Christians colonized Europe, they systematically exterminated almost all of the indigenous cultures there over the course of hundreds of years. During this process they brought the ideas of states, genocide, and colonization itself. When the Roman state collapsed, these colonized people rebuilt states that ultimately replicated the horrors they experienced across the globe.

Mabye the answer this time isn't "let's rebuild the same atrocity machine." Land Back is an option, and there's even a model we can look to in Norther Syria. I'm just skeptical of any attempt to replace an old state with a new one because it always seems to fail in exactly the same oligarchy/authoritarianism decline in to suffering...and the last few centuries have seen states start to speed run this. Like, AfD is on the rise in Germany and there are literally still WWII vets alive today. Perhaps you're right, but I just don't see how states could be the right option here.