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[–] EndOfLine@lemm.ee 90 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the United States invade Iraq despite the objections of the UN Security Council? That happened, right? Without reprocutions?

If that's the case, I'm wondering who cares about the UN objecting to laws a country passes, within their own borders, that are not human rights violations. What are they going to do? Write a stern letter?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago

This is definitely people trying to justify their existence rather than keeping up with the times.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The UN is run by America but for other people not the Americans.

Same as extradition and breaking laws of another country even though it doesn't break any laws they are in.

Sure US have allowed countries to punish their citizens but only when that outcome is also in their interest.

The whole UN war on drugs thing started in America to solve an American problem.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Same as extradition and breaking laws of another country even though it doesn’t break any laws they are in.

And yet the International Criminal Court is fine, right? Despite it only going after POC from ex-European colonies.

This whole idea that you can commit any crime you want: if it crosses borders, if it is a crime against humanity, if it occurred in a country that it happened in is a failed state and could never prosecute the person, or if it happened at sea doesn't work and never will work. Governments have a right to go after people outside their borders in specific situations and without that right the world is full of pirates, genocidal warlords, international cartels, Russian paid shills, etc.

Don't like it? Don't commit genocide and you are highly highly unlikely to have an issue.

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So by your logic, was the U.S in the right to extradite Julian Assange on espionage charges in spite of him being an Australian citizen living in his own country?

If so, what about Benjamin Netanyahu? Would the US try to extradite him from Israel if he gets indicted for his genocide in the US?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes. And sorry not sorry your Russian spy buddy is going to jail

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yet American can kill citizens of Western countries in those countries and they get protected by America. If anyone trys to put them on trial then America can do anything to stop that happening including war.

But when someone does something legal in their own country as small as piracy or journalism. America wants them extradited.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow the world is shit. Great job. Here is a fucking golf clap.

You said something wrong and I corrected you. Whataboutism isn't going to make your wrong thing correct.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you on about.

You brought genocide into this not me. I still don't even know what point you're trying and failing to make.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Try reading next time and you will get the point.

Let me guess you are all upset your BFF Russian spy friend is finally being extradited?

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're on about genocide and you pulled it out of your arse. Honestly you need to explain what point that is and how that relates to America having one rule for them and one rule for others. You're not really talking any sense.

I have no idea who that is. I was thinking more Julian Assange.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ass-ange is a Russian spy and I hope he rots

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

You confuse me.

You seem to have anger issues so I'm just going to move on.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

International law isn't really a thing. The true limits to what a nationstate can do are established by military and economic interventions alone.