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[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No youre not. Calyx is a joke, sorry. DivestOS may be okay but its still very different from GrapheneOS.

And no tiny custom Android can fix the issue that hardware manifacturers will not supply a single byte of firmware updates after their contract is done.

[–] angrynomad@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

True discontinued firmware updates.., but look at the actual threat model. Why is calyx a joke?

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

(Feddit just started working again)

CalyxOS implements many random 3rd party stuff as if that was their own.

Apart from 2 (QKSMS and Bromite) being unmaintained, installing random apps as system apps (if this is what they do) means a system update may cause data loss for users, when removing those apps. And it has the problem of a way too high goal that can not be reached. They simply dont maintain those apps, so dont ship them.

[–] angrynomad@infosec.pub 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

How much maintenance does a simple SMS app need? What random apps are system apps? Beomite is not installed, not even sure qksms is, but I always use it. Never had a single issue removing any apps. Seems like you're just very uninformed

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

They had this on their homepage, advertizing QKSMS and Bromite as if they were project apps. Which they are not.

So either A: they preinstall apps as system apps or B: they have some form of installer that installs them as normal user apps.

You should have as many apps as user apps as possible.

Maybe they changes this idk. But QKSMS is not a simple SMS app like the one that GrapheneOS implements (the old and hardly maintained AOSP one) and Bromite is an unmaintained Browser which is a huge problem. Cromite and Quik are maintained forks.

Some Archive when they still had Bromite on their page

Could not find QKSMS but that was somewhere

[–] angrynomad@infosec.pub 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Chromium BASED on chromite, which appears to be actively developed. I use mull which works well. Default SMS is "messaging" app.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. What are the App IDs of those both apps?

If they base on Chromite that is probably fine.

[–] angrynomad@infosec.pub 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

org.chromium.chrome

com.android.messaging

Idk if I would promote calyxos though, it works, but it's often buggy for me. I think I'll go with graphene again, the microg shit is just that..

And mull https://f-droid.org/packages/us.spotco.fennec_dos/ Which I think is maintained by divestos, another interesting one, I forget why I didn't go with them

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago

I am pretty happy with GrapheneOS. Things like separate toggles for internet, or long powerbutton press foe torch are missing.

But you cannot imagine how much effort it is to maintain such a project, and their base is stable, the updates are damn fast.

First stability and security, then features.

Their core OS is minimal on purpose. I use the phone, vanadium (hardened chromium, with JIT toggle, now with adblock, completely degoogled), their attestation app, etc.

Most of the other stuff are random FOSS projects, I dont even use sandboxed play, but if I wanted to I could create a separate user profile and install it just in there.

DivestOS is doing sandboxed microG which is way more secure than unsandboxed, but still tons of effort and will break a lot.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago

Btw get Mull from the DivestOS repo, the F-Droid version has veeery slow updates and less.