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[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I've been to Israel a number of times and have several good friends there. I don't know what to do, really. They would be the ones protesting against Netanyahu, rather than the ones raving in the way of an aid convoy.

The first thing I said after the attacks last October, other than "are my friends okay", was literally "fuck, the response is going to be completely disproportionate". They've got a fucking horrible government and there's an undercurrent of nasty, nationalist Israelis, including literal Jewish supremacists.

I'm not an antisemite - my best friends genuinely are Jewish, that's not a smokescreen. I've been shown more kindness by Jews in my life than by my own family. But I'd say, on balance, I am anti those particular semites. And I think a large percentage of Jews also are. I know my friends will casually say things about the ultra-orthodox community that I definitely can't repeat.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

More Jews live outside Israel than in Israel. Being against the Israeli government doesn't make you an antisemite.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's the apparent double standard, such as by calling Israel an apartheid state when it's a majoritarian democracy.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Israel is not a majoritarian state. Very few Palestinians are allowed to vote or get any proper representation in government. How can they be ruled by a majority without even the right to vote?? It's no different than when women and blacks couldn't vote in elections in the US, and it's no diffenrent than south Africa.

But does that phase you one bit? Nope.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They’ve got a fucking horrible government and there’s an undercurrent of nasty, nationalist Israelis, including literal Jewish supremacists.

Let me just say: It's not an undercurrent. The right wing in Israel has been dominant for a long time and is growing. I understand you want to distinguish yourself from Antisemites, but their government is accurately representing their constituents. It's just that more than half their constituents see nothing wrong with genociding Muslims for Lebensraum.

[–] Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

70% of eligible voters voted.
the current government's parties were voted in by 49.5% of those voters.
out of those, 14.13% were ultra-orthodox parties who always go with bibi because he gives them everything they want. about half of those are non-zionist.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

I guess it's not half (yet).

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

The "response" has been disproportionate for 60+ years.

At what point are they no longer "responding" and move on to become the aggressors? Because the balance of power there shifted a very long time ago.