this post was submitted on 25 Feb 2024
1247 points (92.5% liked)

libertarianism

396 readers
1 users here now

About us

An open, user owned community for the general disscussion of the libertarian philosophy.

Most people live their own lives by that code of ethics. Libertarians believe that that code should be applied consistently, even to the actions of governments, which should be restricted to protecting people from violations of their rights. Governments should not use their powers to censor speech, conscript the young, prohibit voluntary exchanges, steal or “redistribute” property, or interfere in the lives of individuals who are otherwise minding their own business.

Source: https://www.libertarianism.org/essays/what-is-libertarianism

Rules

1. Stay on topicWe are a libertarian community. There are no restrictions regarding different stances on the political spectrum, but all posts should be related to the philosophy of libertarianism.

2. Be polite to others and respects each others opinions.Be polite to others and respects each others opinions. We don't want any form of gatekeeping or circlejerk culture here.

3. Stay constructive and informationalIn general, all types of contributions are allowed, but the relevance to this community must always be evident and presented openly by the contributor. Posts that do not meet these requirements will be removed after a public warning. Also remember to cite you sources!

4. Use self-moderation measures first before reporting.This community is fundamentally built upon freedom of speech. Since everyone understands libertarianism differently and we do not want to exclude any kind of content a priori, we appeal to the individual users to block/mute posts or users who do not meet their requirements. Please bear this in mind when filing a report

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] marth_21@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Depends on certain conditions

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Name one whistleblower who's died in prison in the US. Heck name one person convicted of espionage who we've killed since the Rosenbergs.

[–] RalfWausE@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Heck name one person convicted of espionage who we’ve killed since the Rosenbergs.

What makes you so sure, that you would have heard about it? I mean, the US is a country which had killed god-knows-how-many people by drone strikes... in a country not at war with the US.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The literal second a drone strike was considered for an American everyone knew. Try again.

[–] RalfWausE@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you sure? Well... i am no US citizen, but i would not trust my government to not arrange some 'happy accident' if the stakes are high enough.

I would not trust ANY government to not murder, blackmail or kidnap to protect its dirty secrets.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Americans hate secrets in their government being used against them. In another anecdote, Bush tried to keep an illegal surveillance program secret. He gave the only copy of the order to Cheney. Cheney locked it in his personal safe and told no one but his personal lawyer and the 7 people needed to run the program. It still leaked.

People have this idea that the government is like they see in the movies where they're all powerful, all knowing, and only the chosen hero can stay ahead of them long enough to beat them. But the reality is Osama Bin Laden was at his house in suburban Pakistan for a decade. The secret service regularly has scandals for drinking on the job. The Army can't stop it's privates from telling the entire mission brief to their AI girlfriend. And the CIA can't do anything without the rest of the intelligence community shoving a microscope up their butt because they want their budget and position.

That's not to say they're incompetent. When all the pieces are in agreement on an action it is a terrifying machine. But killing a turncoat, or mere whistleblower is something the NSA would hang around the CIAs neck. The CIA would react likewise too. The FBI would merrily prosecute everyone involved while reminding the white house they have a perfectly good counter intelligence office themselves.

[–] lemmylem@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Wait, are you saying he was a spy and giving secrets to Russia?