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    "But my friend runs a PinePhone as a daily driver" (lemmy.ml)
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    [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Everything that matters is open source and upstreamed or on the way there. Haven't kept up with the state of things but as far as I am aware you can already run a mainline kernel on the Deck. Would love to see an open phone you can easily run your own distribution on without jumping through hoops.

    But phones are hard. An x86 phone with decent battery life is even harder. But one can dream.

    [–] lemmeee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    It's certainly great that you can install any distro with mainline kernel on the deck (even if some things don't work). But my point was that Valve doesn't care about user freedom. Their OS and the Steam client are proprietary. If they made a GNU/Linux phone, there is no guarantee that you would be able to install a free distro and it almost certainly would come with non free software by default, which would be bad.

    Would love to see an open phone you can easily run your own distribution on without jumping through hoops.

    I think PinePhone Pro and Librem 5 can run a mainline kernel. It's possible that some things won't work, but a lot of stuff has been upstreamed. I'm curious if you can easily install an ARM build of Debian on them, but couldn't find any information last time I looked it up.

    But phones are hard. An x86 phone with decent battery life is even harder. But one can dream.

    Oh yeah, that is the dream. I wonder how are the current mobile Ryzen CPUs. I'm curious if there is any that could work well in a phone.

    [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    There is a Debian spin for the Pinephone called Mobian. I ran that for quite a while with Phosh as the front end. It's probably still installed on the device.

    What I hate about ARM is that you basically need a separate image for every device instead of one for everything like with x86.

    [–] lemmeee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

    I use Mobian with Phosh too! What I love about Mobian is that it's just a small overlay on top of Debian. The project's goal is literally to upstream everything into Debian and to stop existing. You can see that it doesn't add a lot of packages: https://packages.mobian.org

    Yeah, you are right about ARM. It seems to be true about RISC-V as well. It's so weird that so many people think those kinds of devices will be good for us. Sometimes I watch reviews of single board computers on YouTube and the reviewers never mention that the device can't run mainline Linux. They can't install Debian from debian.org on them. So instead they install some distro provided by the manufacturer and for some reason they are just fine with that. Raspberry PI is the same and almost nobody seems to be talking about this. So that's why I'm not sure if you can install a normal distro on PinePhone Pro or Librem 5, even though they can run mainline Linux.

    Also ARM SoC manufacturers don't seem to try to have upstream Linux support. So I think that's why PinePhone uses a 2010 SoC (if I remember correctly) and Pro uses a 2016 SoC. It's a bad platform.