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cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/7783032

When I started at Ars in the summer of 2022, the next generation of smart home standards was on the way. Matter, an interoperable device setup and management system, and Thread, a radio network that would provide secure, far-reaching connectivity optimized for tiny batteries. Together, they would offer a home that, while well-connected, could also work entirely inside a home network and switch between controlling ecosystems with ease. I knew this tech wouldn't show up immediately, but I thought it was a good time to start looking to the future, to leave behind the old standards and coalesce into something new.

Instead, Matter and Thread are a big mess, and I am now writing to tell you that I was wrong, or at least ignorant, to have ignored the good things that already existed: Zigbee and Z-Wave. I've put in my time with Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and various brittle combinations of the two. They're useful for data-rich devices and for things that can stay plugged in. Zigbee and Z-Wave have been around, but they always seemed fidgety, obscure, and vaguely European at a glance. But here, in the year 2024, I am now an admirer of both, and I think they still have a place in our homes.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

ZigBee and Z-Wave are awesome because they stay functional irrespective of:

  • WiFi
  • Router
  • Internet
  • Cloud

So long as the Home Assistant is alive, everything works. The reliability and uptime approaches the AC mains.

And they allow for battery powered devices to have multi-year battery life.

[-] bisby@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

The internet and cloud points are my favorite. Specifically the fact that those things are out of the picture.

No VLAN configuration necessary. The hub is "the VLAN". They literally can't phone home because they have no route to the internet, with no extra setup necessary. For WiFi devices, I have to make sure they're connecting to the right VLAN and controlled properly, and if I misconfigure something, they are phoning home or joining a botnet.

(This stops being as applicable if you have a sketchy hub you don't trust, but I trust deconz and ZHA fine enough in this context).

[-] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 5 points 7 months ago

Same here. Not having a path to the internet by default is lovely. Local data stays local without any extra config.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Exactly. Which allows you to use devices from any vendor without having to worry about the preloaded botnet agent. 🤭

[-] deur@feddit.nl 3 points 7 months ago

Until Zigbee2MQTT breaks again ;P

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

Using ZHA for a year and a bit. No breakage so far. Knocks on wood.

[-] nottelling@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

ZHA isn't compatible with a lot of recent Hue bulbs. It's a bit frustrating.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

Oh really, like what? I have a few E26 models and two strips. I haven't tried any others.

[-] nottelling@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Specifically: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B095KSZQGD?psc=1

And

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0BCHBXZ8D?psc=1

And several of the a19 and br30 models.

If you scroll to the Phillips hue list on ZigBee.blackadder.com, you'll see the lack of ZHA support.

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