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[–] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So much for "the only democracy in the Middle East", eh?

[–] dsemy@vlemmy.net 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Israel won’t become a dictatorship.

Every week hundreds of thousands of Israeli Jews protest these changes (in a country less than 10 million people).

They have a civil war waiting for them if they go too far - and don’t forget that most of these protesters served in the military.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You forget that Israel collects taxes on Palestinians and then doesn’t let them vote and doesn’t give it to the PA, as well as deprives them of human rights. That’s basically a dictatorship for nearly half the residents.

[–] Ponchy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Taxation without representation really rustles my jimmies. I wonder how the US conservatives will react, could get real antisemitic real quick

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Illegal immigrants are taxed all the time. In fact, their contributions to social security (but not withdrawals) are the main thing keeping the program afloat. Republicans love taxation without representation if it isn't white folks.

[–] finkrat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You forget the huge evangelical segment of the US conservative base, they have a thing for Israel

[–] dsemy@vlemmy.net -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only source I could find for something like this were instances where Israeli authorities withheld taxes collected on behalf of the PA due to debts incurred by the PA to the Israeli Electric Corporation.

They don’t let them vote because they’re not citizens. You should ask the PA to let them vote.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, as repeated punitive actions the Israeli government withheld taxes and import fees that the Israel government collected as part of its border control and that were due to the PA, and they withheld what was owed as a way to punish the PA for supporting UN and ICC actions. This created a crisis as PA employees weren’t being paid and caused work stoppages. It doesn’t matter the excuse; the end result is israel collected taxes on a people and wouldn’t give them representation. It’s further violating international law by taking the land under Palestinians’ feet and giving it to Israelis. It’s still a de facto dictatorship even if you try to use the PA as a Bantustan.

[–] Pili@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

The problem is, Israel hasn't waited to become a dictatorship to start acting like one.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah that's all well and good but if the us and UK support one way or the other that's the way that is going to win.

[–] dsemy@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would the US support this? In fact, the US has been pretty vocal about its opposition to these developments. Regardless of this though, you greatly over estimate the influence of American politics on internal affairs in Israel.

Also, nobody gives a shit about what the UK supports lol.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'll notice I not once said the us supported anything either way.

I pointed out the truth of the matter, whichever side the major global powers want to win will win.

[–] dsemy@vlemmy.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah cause that’s exactly what happened in Afghanistan and Vietnam.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It did, they got what they wanted and bailed when it behooved them.

[–] dsemy@vlemmy.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A continued military presence in the area and reason to keep the military industrial complex spun up. Same reason for basically every intervention/conflict/war since the American revolution in the case of the us.

[–] dsemy@vlemmy.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

In both cases because they're wildly unpopular and in the case of Afghanistan because it started the war on terrors ability to strike anywhere anytime. Make no mistake the us is still in the area and droning with impunity.