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I saw this complaint on reddit a lot, but at the end of the day, it was a US based site. Of course there will be mostly Americans and they will default to that understanding.
Also, the US is a large country. It's not like Europe where you're a day trip away from 5 other countries. Most Americans can't afford travel outside the US, so they only have exposure to the many cultures within the US.
The hate Americans get for not catering discussion on a US based site to the global community is really what's strange.
You can travel in a straight line over land 2700 miles from Washington to Florida without leaving the United States. Make a foray into Canada and you can travel a 4300 mile long straight line from Alaska to Florida without leaving a country that speaks majority English.
I haven't heard that before, but yeah, the US is huge.
I'm pretty sure that if you visit all states and provinces, it would be a lot more than 4300 miles
True that. I was just looking at straight lines (or what "straight line" is when you're traveling across a sphere)
My other irk is the next group that assumes everyone who isn't American must be from Europe.
Europe was just an example, though they do tend to be the most unjustly hateful of Americans.
I just want y'all to stop saying shit like "oh xyz is like 20$ right now" like it's just as cheap everywhere else in the world.
Thanks for your 2 cents.
I appreciate that. What bugs me is when people don't read the name of the sub they're in though - if it's askUK or casualuk then maybe it's not the place to talk about America, particularly when it's an advice thread about laws for example.
Just some self awareness would be good.
I'm curious, which part is a myth? I only see facts and not all of them paint America as great.
These things exist elsewhere, besides. Just not always in "the West."
Let me simplify this. Would you go to a forum with an address in .ar and complain that the discussion doesn't pertain to you? You wouldn't, but you are just blindly hateful of Americans for whatever reason.
America is far from a monolith. Our states roughly equate to different European countries with vastly different cultures, foods, rights and laws.
We just speak dialects that are almost all the same and roll up under one political entity. It is not so dissimilar than the EU, otherwise.
We are, in many practical terms a forced confederation with a shared Constitution. There are those, like in the EU, who want out.
Edit: the shared single language is one of our under-recognized super-powers. I can travel this huge land mass and communicate viably everywhere. It is key to our cultural impact. It is accidental, but helpful to us. Except when we have people who dislike our impact and become hostile.
Sounds like we're both wrong, then.
If I drive 45 minutes east, I'm in something akin to the US south. Extremely conservative in specific ways. North a few hours and everyone distrusts anyone who didn't grow up there.
45 minutes west and I'm in everyone's favorite (not) failed city, San Francisco.
And those very conservative places I mentioned.. are quite different from south conservative. They drive the same vehicles, wear the same hats, but don't hold the same values.
California, for all its notoriety as being overly accepting has known pla es POC are advised against visiting. Some areas are very non-church and others are profoundly Christian or other religions.
We have enclaves of near-pure ethnic/cultural people tracing back to wherever. I'm not simply talking about Chinatown or Japan town.
We're not a monolith even within a small area. I didn't assert that the EU was. Only that we are more diverse than credited.
Particularly when the topic arises by people comfortable talking others how to be when they know nothing of the person or people.
You continue to assert I, or others, are saying things we are not. I have not alleged that the EU is lacking or "wanting."
I'm saying the US is far more diverse than is often credited. People are moving from one state to another because of that very reason. It is a confederation of states, by law. And our SCOTUS is making that more true each year.
I am not saying "parity" but I am saying it's far closer than your broad brush comments.
I may have deleted the post, but I have posted nothing that said the EU lacked diversity nor did I start discussing the various regions of Spain.
Which Americans are you talking to? We know there are other countries and cultures. We just aren't responsible for learning deeply about all of them. No one is.
You're using some strong, broad strokes that aren't reflective of my experience at all.
I am learning those things... hell, I'm studying a completely different language and learning the history.
I think I'm not who you think I am.
The above is one example.
You don't have a high ground, here.