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[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This post is a call to action. You should take it as a call to action.

You should be going to marches.

You should be rallying and participating in your local politics.

You should be supporting groups fighting for better public transit, stricter regulations and the budget to enforce it, and right to repair.

You should be voting with environmental Policy in mind.

You can do personal changes too, and encouraging others to do the same. but the vast majority of humans will not change until it's easy and gratifying or they're forced to. It will take exponentially more work getting a meaningful number of people to listen to you're propaganda. Its much more efficient to target the infrastructure around them to incentivize the change.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But that's the point. You can do both. You could do anything, just don't shrug and go "it's only corporations".

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's not point. Individualist solutions are weak in comparison - a drop in the bucket. Collectivist solutions are what will actually be the brunt of solution. You're pitching a patch kit for damage that needs a full rework.

By all means, cut you're consumption, but realize that your consumption change isn't going to do nearly enough on its own. That's the point of what's being said above.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And my point is that structural reform is neither fast, total or certain. It's preferable, but if you can change some things today, that's a great temporary thing in addition to maybe changing everything in 10 years.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Yes, and people are already getting hit with propaganda constantly encouraging them to recycle, take the bus, buy fewer clothes, and a bunch of other minute actions. Some people even followed through.

This post was explicitly about getting people to support action against corporations, and your response to it was to take a dig at the message and promote more of the most common environmentalism propaganda in the US - as if it wasn't promoted to high hell already.