They're also a good example of how deradicalization efforts can be effective, not perfect but effective as reestablishing a modern liberal democracy. Gaza will need something other than what they currently have for an education system if they are to develop into anything other than a terrorist enclave.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, quite literally. They understand what’s at stake for society as well or better than anyone on the planet right now.

Really? More than jewish holocaust survivors and their descendents? Get a fucking grip.

It is embarrassing that anyone upvoted this nonsense.

They’re also a good example of how deradicalization efforts can be effective, not perfect but effective as reestablishing a modern liberal democracy.

Are you living in the reality where Germany doesn't have a far right extremism problem, and where denazification was actually successful?

Gaza will need something other than what they currently have for an education system if they are to develop into anything other than a terrorist enclave.

Yes, radicalization happens because of bad education, and not because Israel keeps stealing their land and killing them.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are Holocaust survivors who believe it's a genocide, they're absolutely worth listening to. There are survivors who have devoted their lives to the issue who are saying it's not, they're absolutely worth listening to. That you're only willing to listen to those who agree with you is part of the problem. The guy standing for Israel, has stood before this same court in the past but all of a sudden he's not a valid expert? Get a grip.

As I pointed out, the efforts aren't perfect they're ongoing. Germany is still clearly working on it, they're also struggling with right wing immigration issues and a host of other issues. None of that takes away from the turnaround they've done and continue to do.

Yes. People aren't born to hate they're taught to hate. If you're going to act like kids in Gaza aren't taught to hate in school, and in training camps then you're either defending terrorists or you're just ignorant. Education that doesn't include systemic Antisemitic curriculum has proven effective in neighboring countries at reducing radicalization. The people of Gaza deserve that same chance.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yes. People aren’t born to hate they’re taught to hate. If you’re going to act like kids in Gaza aren’t taught to hate in school, and in training camps then you’re either defending terrorists or you’re just ignorant.

If you think that kids and Gaza need to be taught to hate when the colonizer is out there already teaching them through violence youre just ignorant. If you want to stop training camps existing in the first place, stop the settler colonial project.

Read Fanon liberal.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying that you think the curriculum and education, that involves coloring books showing the shooting of Jews and hands on training with weapons for elementary school children isn't a problem?

On a technical note, Jews didn't colonize Judea. They've been there since before the Arabs. They decolonized the region, Palestine and Gaza is literally a colony in practice.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

So you’re saying that you think the curriculum and education, that involves coloring books showing the shooting of Jews and hands on training with weapons for elementary school children isn’t a problem?

Sure it is a problem, and it isnt going to solved until Israel stops being a settler colonial apartheid state or they entirely murder or displace every Palestinian. I'm guessing you prefer the latter?

On a technical note, Jews didn’t colonize Judea. They’ve been there since before the Arabs. They decolonized the region, Palestine and Gaza is literally a colony in practice.

What not ever reading a book on colonial theory does to a motherfucker

We are all from Africa, but if you went to Libya and started killing people and claiming their land as your own, you'd be a fucking settler. So to with Israel.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

Your book on indigeneity, does it include continued existence in the region? Indigenous languages and their revival? Israel hits every note in your book, Palestine doesn't.

Now you're claiming I want people dead, going personal is the weak pivot of the loser but no I don't want anyone dead who's not a terrorist. The colonial apartheid bullshit is a non starter, there's millions of Arabs living just fine in Israel. They vote, serve in government and the military. You know where there's laws against religion? In Gaza, which is an apartheid state. This problem starts to turn when the Palestinian refugee industrial complex is unraveled. There are billions of dollars being funneled into creating propaganda that isn't helping the people who live there. A moderate pan Arab contingent of countries is going to have to guide the reeducation. I get that people like you think Israel needs to cease to exist which is literally calling for the death of ten million Jews who live there but you should probably start to accept reality and understand that they're not going anywhere, and this isn't stopping until Hamas is gone and the hostages are home.