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Why Are American Drivers So Deadly? After decades of declining fatality rates, dangerous driving has surged again. (www.nytimes.com)
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The cause was easy enough to identify: Data parsed by Kuhls and her colleagues showed that drivers were speeding more, on highways and on surface streets, and plowing through intersections with an alarming frequency. Conversely, seatbelt use was down, resulting in thousands of injuries to unrestrained drivers and passengers. After a decade of steady decline, intoxicated-driving arrests had rebounded to near historic highs.

... The relationship between car size and injury rates is still being studied, but early research on the American appetite for horizon-blotting machinery points in precisely the direction you’d expect: The bigger the vehicle, the less visibility it affords, and the more destruction it can wreak.

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[–] dmrzl@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Re the headline: Can someone explain to me - a German - when to use "deadly" and when to use "lethal"? Feeling pretty confident with the language, but this one just confuses the shit out of me...

[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I'm no linguistics expert but these are the definitions from Webster

lethal applies to something that is bound to cause death or exists for the destruction of life. lethal gas

deadly applies to an established or very likely cause of death. a deadly disease

They are synonyms and most people would probably use them interchangeably. I guess the biggest difference is lethal applies to something that is about to cause death, whereas deadly applies to death that has moreso already happened.

lethal weapons, deadly accident, etc ...

[–] EfficientEffigy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Deadly Weapon is my favorite action flick franchise

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't think you can use lethal for a metaphorical situation where nobody can actually die. For example "Deadly smile" or "deadly fart"

There are a few examples where there's a convention around using one or the other, such as 'lethal dose' but not too many.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

yeah you can

[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can definitely say lethal fart and nobody would think it weird.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago

I don't think I've ever heard it used that way. Only deadly

[–] jennwiththesea@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Hmm, they're pretty synonymous, but I think you're noticing this slight, occasional difference in use: Lethal is active, deadly is passive. A thing can actively be lethal when used by you, but when it's something that happens to you, it's deadly. An accident is something that's considered to have happened to you, despite the fact that it's typically your fault to some extent.

[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They're the same meaning just about exactly. Maybe lethal is a little more "fancy" if that makes sense. There's a lot of pairs of words in English like that, where one synonym came from old germanic/norse languages and the other came from old french/latin languages.

That's why wedding vows say "to have and to hold", for example. More educated people back in the day would use "have" (from habere in latin) and more common people would use "hold" (idk exactly from where but i assume old german or something.) When there was a wedding they wanted everyone to understand what was being said.

[–] mrialena@mastodon.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@dmrzl @silence7 I think they're largely interchangeable, like "lethal crash" and "deadly crash". Perhaps the use of deadly here was for alliteration: deadly drivers.

[–] dmrzl@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

Ah, just being an alliteration might be the case. I used to separate these by active/passive (as pointed out by some of the other comments) which is why this was so confusing to me.

[–] dmrzl@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

Thanks for all the replies. I had a very grim interpretation where the driver being an active part was removed. This happens a lot in German media where it is rarely a driver killing someone but instead someone "dying in traffic" - as if it's a higher power.

Glad it might just be interchangable or an alliteration...