Are people assuming I'm pushing a conclusion about who blew up the pipes? I literally just heard about Hersh 2 hours ago and posted some links I found for others who are new to the subject too. Lol take it easy people.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No I'm just asking why you're incredulous at the idea. You're right I can't expect you to know who Hersh is but he's a hi-profile investigative journalist who has a patronage relationship with intelligence agencies.

To me it comes down to whether we believe the deep state source that UK & Ukraine acted more on their own volition and this wasn't a joint NATO intelligence kind of thing, or we assume they're just trying to push away blame considering that Germans have to pretend to believe we didn't bend them over.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm just asking why you're incredulous at the idea

That's your assumption. I was just gathering information, that's all. Maybe you expected me to swallow the thesis without question, idk. You seem to know what you're talking about so it might just be that you're surprised that what's so clear to you after doing dozens of hours of reading is still a nebulous idea to me after 15 minutes of reading.

It seems a handful of people had the same assumption as you but I still hold that it was an unfounded assumption as I never expressed an opinion either way.

I do appreciate our dialogue and the new information you pointed me to, though.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

The detailed forensics about the pipeline attack are way less important than the geopolitics of why the attack took place, but man it is just so obvious. NATO was doing a joint naval exercise in the same waters when the attack occured. The coverup is laughable

The Grayzone participated in what appears to be the first independent expedition investigating the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines. Near one of the blast sites, we discovered a diving boot used by US Navy divers. How did Swedish investigators miss this?

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/06/05/nord-stream-expedition-official-investigators/

https://thegrayzone.com/tag/nord-stream/

To do my own Snopes disinformation rating of Grayzone they've done incredible reporting on US war crimes but they have shortcomings when it comes to our internal politics and kind of lean to a libertarian antiwar sort of thing that affiliates itself with anti-COVID lockdown people, all this deranged nonsense. Disregard that for now. It's just the main editor of the site letting twitter get to him. Klarenberg and quite a few other writers there are absolute gold. Mate is an idiot, because he disagreed with me on twitter about JFK assassination. Again, disregard all that for now.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I am aware totally normal people find out about Snopes because they do Mythbusters kind of shit and then mix in ludicrous geopolitical takes.

But almost everyone who drops Snopes on me these days has already made up their mind about how the NYT never lies and everything else is Russian disinformation.

Regular ass people were telling us me I was a Russian because I wanted a kinder Zionist to win the United States Democratic presidential primary & give me free healthcare (how time flies)

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