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Yes. Seymour Hersh has provided everything we can expect to get short of the CIA and Joint Chiefs declassifying their documentation.
Thanks for the keyword. I found his substack (which is paid) and a Snopes article saying his claim is bogus.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/2/15/nord_stream_sy_hersh
https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/10/hersh-nord-stream-sabotage/
LMAO Hersh undersells it, he uses intelligence sources and shit, so Snopes just has to be like "erm we don't think so". Christ
Are people assuming I'm pushing a conclusion about who blew up the pipes? I literally just heard about Hersh 2 hours ago and posted some links I found for others who are new to the subject too. Lol take it easy people.
No I'm just asking why you're incredulous at the idea. You're right I can't expect you to know who Hersh is but he's a hi-profile investigative journalist who has a patronage relationship with intelligence agencies.
To me it comes down to whether we believe the deep state source that UK & Ukraine acted more on their own volition and this wasn't a joint NATO intelligence kind of thing, or we assume they're just trying to push away blame considering that Germans have to pretend to believe we didn't bend them over.
That's your assumption. I was just gathering information, that's all. Maybe you expected me to swallow the thesis without question, idk. You seem to know what you're talking about so it might just be that you're surprised that what's so clear to you after doing dozens of hours of reading is still a nebulous idea to me after 15 minutes of reading.
It seems a handful of people had the same assumption as you but I still hold that it was an unfounded assumption as I never expressed an opinion either way.
I do appreciate our dialogue and the new information you pointed me to, though.
I am aware totally normal people find out about Snopes because they do Mythbusters kind of shit and then mix in ludicrous geopolitical takes.
But almost everyone who drops Snopes on me these days has already made up their mind about how the NYT never lies and everything else is Russian disinformation.
Regular ass people were telling us me I was a Russian because I wanted a kinder Zionist to win the United States Democratic presidential primary & give me free healthcare (how time flies)
The detailed forensics about the pipeline attack are way less important than the geopolitics of why the attack took place, but man it is just so obvious. NATO was doing a joint naval exercise in the same waters when the attack occured. The coverup is laughable
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/06/05/nord-stream-expedition-official-investigators/
https://thegrayzone.com/tag/nord-stream/
To do my own Snopes disinformation rating of Grayzone they've done incredible reporting on US war crimes but they have shortcomings when it comes to our internal politics and kind of lean to a libertarian antiwar sort of thing that affiliates itself with anti-COVID lockdown people, all this deranged nonsense. Disregard that for now. It's just the main editor of the site letting twitter get to him. Klarenberg and quite a few other writers there are absolute gold. Mate is an idiot, because he disagreed with me on twitter about JFK assassination. Again, disregard all that for now.
Before we talk about the smoking gun evidence, the tacit admissions by Blinken and Biden, the obvious incentives for the US to do this.
Have you ever doubted a claim made about Russia based on anonymous sources in your life? Name one
What? Sorry, I don't understand. Plus, what does my opinion have to do with anything? I'm not an expert on.... anything lol
There are many other stories about Russia that have gotten Snopes approval that relied on the exact same kind of sourcing from AP, Reuters, NYT, Guardian, BBC, France24, all the main shit that has a veneer of legitimacy which gets rated positively by the orgs that give articles disinformation ratings. You know, Apple News filler.
Snopes is a ridiculous website.
And we should believe Snopes over Hersh why exactly? Maybe explain to us why western governments prevented an independent investigation into the bombing, and why the German government sealed the documents from their own MPs?
Who said we should? Y'all are insane with your assumptions.
You're the one who threw in "Snopes article saying his claim is bogus". So, I'm asking you to elaborate on why it is you believe this Snopes statement to be important. The only thing insane here is how defensive you get when asked a simple question.
Russia blew up their own pipeline cause Putin is cray Zee! Also Joe Biden said so!