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Rights advocates in the United States are urging President Joe Biden to end his administration’s “complicity” in Israeli rights abuses after key members of Israel’s government backed the idea of pushing Palestinians out of Gaza.

Far-right Israeli ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich said this week that Israel should “encourage emigration” from the coastal enclave, home to an estimated 2.3 million Palestinians.

“If there are 100,000 or 200,000 Arabs in Gaza and not two million Arabs, the entire discussion on the day after [the war ends] will be totally different,” Smotrich said on Sunday, calling for the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians.

A day later, Ben-Gvir, who oversees national security, made a similar appeal, saying it was “a correct, just, moral and humane solution”, Israeli media outlets reported.

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 53 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

'dissolve your democracy' or 'support ethnic cleansing'

Not a great set of choices at the ballots for Americans this election.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean ... has America ever halted it's eugenics program?

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Founded upon genocides by slaveholders.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Or here's a novel idea: the candidate who doesn't want to dissolve democracy could dramatically increase his chances of winning by NOT enabling genocide including ethnic cleansing and domicide.

I'd set the likelihood of THAT ever happening at zero a month or two ago, but now it seems he's slowly realizing that enough people actually care more about human rights than empty platitudes and slavish devotion to what's become an apartheid state that he has to change course.

I'd say there's now a 10-20% chance he's going to at least PRETEND to agree that Palestinian lives matter between now and November.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As a someone on the left, few things are as persuasive and soothing as wrung hands.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm gonna have to ask you to elaborate on what you mean by that.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Biden is likely to go out and wring his hands about the difficult situation for everyone involved in the conflict. He'll show it is something he thinks about, then it will (likely) decrease the pressure on him.

Because he wrung his hands on a stage and/or into a microphone.

My theory is that people think that counts as being heard.

Edit: my apologies if my earlier brevity sounded like a dismissal of your point. I was attempting to agree and, well... didn't provide enough context.

Thank you for the question.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah, you're probably spot on 😮‍💨

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I don’t know why he bothers, i have never had a choice in an election in the first place. I can’t imagine someone being on the fence at this point unless they are cloaking for an argument.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I got 2 choices comes November. And nothing significant is going to change our voting system between now and then.

FUCK do these moralists propose I do?! After 01/06, I am more than a little wary.

"I don't like what Biden is doing!"

"Well fuck me, I hate it. Still want a functioning democracy come January 2025?"

Because I'm not liking having an AR-15 leaning on my desk, and a 12-gauge on my nightstand, for when the local Brown Shirts decide I'm "vermin" and they need to raid my house "for my own good". Anyone think that's "radical" or "paranoid"? Got steep yourself in some WWII history lessons.

And BTW, the Brown Shirts will be local, on your street, if Trump wins. It won't be, "Your machine gun gonna fight the military?!" No. All politics are local. Wait and see.

"Mr. Shalafi, look, we're your neighbors, and we know you love you some guns! But times have changed. We just need to collect those up for your own protection. You can have them back once things calm down, pinky swear."

Fuck me. I just got a buncha guns because I like shooting and gunsmithing old crappy stuff. Now that hobby is turning serious. And I fucking loathe that change.

I'm 53 soon, and I cannot begin to express how fucking angry I am to have typed those last sentences.

I know, I know, I was complacent, didn't see it coming. But fuck me, I voted these past decades. And here we are.

I am a peaceful man, but I am not harmless. I'd suggest you gun-grabber libs think on that a moment. Because the other side already has thought on it.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Because I’m not liking having an AR-15 leaning on my desk, and a 12-gauge on my nightstand, for when the local Brown Shirts decide I’m “vermin” and they need to raid my house “for my own good”. Anyone think that’s “radical” or “paranoid”? Got steep yourself in some WWII history lessons.

This is indeed both radical and paranoid.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

The care bear Dems will hold hands and care the situation away.

Fighting for anything is only just starting to be considered. But it's so very late, now.

Hope we never get to what you describe. We need the laws and LEO to do what's right and keep things from sliding. Very hard to know that may not happen and I deeply wish Biden held himself to one term.

He has a considerable polling and enthusiasm gap now - and this isn't the time for that to be true.

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 5 points 10 months ago

Let me help, it’s more nuanced than that

It’s “dissolve our democracy and support ethnic cleansing at home and abroad” or “support ethnic cleansing abroad only”

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Who is the more accelerationist candidate? The one who openly calls himself a dictator (‘on day one only, teehehehe’) or the status-quo octogenarian who continues the moral bankruptcy and refuses to stop lethal support or even public condemnation towards Israel even slightly? And I’m supposed to be thankful that Biden-Harris check the “not Trump lol” box and ignore the rest? Remember the hemming and hawing about Ukraine getting last gen/expiring tech? And we’re just GIVING Israel hardware from active US inventory???

I’d LOVE a viable third party or AVP/STV/etc voting, but electoral reform is a threat to DNC & RNC hegemony, so that never happening without a constitutional convention. So tell me, do you really have a choice at the ballot? Federal and primary races are littered with corporate and party money, there is no organic change coming from DC anymore.